Yep,all part of the 'control' game
[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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Putin won’t agree to long term peace until he’s taken the whole of Ukraine. The sooner Trump and his entourage of idiots realise that, the sooner the west can put a more robust plan in place to defend Ukraine
Deportivo Seagull
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Putin isn’t taking anything for the foreseeable future. He’s on his arse in military and economic terms whilst Ukraine are being armed up by Europe and the US. So far it’s around $128billion with another $80 billion pledged with talks of additional aid coming. Ukraine is getting stronger and Russia not so much.
fly high
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Ukraine's problem is a much smaller size of it's army etc plus it's desire to keep them alive. Russia are making painfully slow progress but they are moving the front forward because they can just throw men at it & give a shit how many die. Plenty of men to replace the dead/wounded with. Oh I nearly forgot, no need to replace the wounded just patch them up a bit & send them back to the front.
I agree, the situation is still very problematic, and Russia hasn't had to conscript much recently...all 'paid' volunteers IIUC
- Aug 24, 2020
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You're right. But it's worse than that.
Nato is now bigger, with Sweden and Finland on board. Members are paying a higher percentage of their GDP, Europe is united and Germany is tooling up.
In addition, Russia actually holds less territory than it did in the last talks three years ago.
See the Jake Broe update from 03:18 below.
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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I agree. I’m sure the west (ex Trump) recognises that Russia plays the long game. It waited 8 years after taking Crimea before invading Ukraine again in 2022. It will do the same in Moldova, Georgia et al given the chance. It will do the same with Ukraine whether it takes 10, 20 years or more - unless we get our act together, as it seems we’re now doing.
Trump will have been similarly advised by his military / intelligence people yet for some reason he doesn’t seem to accept it. Probably because, as we’ve all speculated, due to being on his Nobel peace award crusade or that Russia has got something on him or that he’s just an incredibly egotistic thicko
Deportivo Seagull
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There will come a tipping point where that no longer works. Secondly this isn’t like other wars as drones have changed the whole gambit. It’s much more hands off. The increase in weapons to Ukraine will mean that going toe to toe with the Russian army is less likely and as such overall numbers aren’t the be all and end all of it. What this war isn’t is the eastern front in WWII where boots on the ground was effectively the decider.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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What a shambles. Nobody appears to know whether the talks have ended, or just paused. Conflicting reports from all sides.
It sounds to me like they had a comfort break and one of the sides has decided to leave mid-session.
It sounds to me like they had a comfort break and one of the sides has decided to leave mid-session.
- Nov 15, 2006
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RDZ is not involved is he?
- Aug 24, 2020
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What the Russians did next....
- Aug 24, 2020
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So that's the Russian position in their own talks three years and three months after invading then.
Continued defiance, belligerence, malevolence, entitlement and threat. No sign of compromise, goodwill, trust or peace.
Continued defiance, belligerence, malevolence, entitlement and threat. No sign of compromise, goodwill, trust or peace.
fly high
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Until Trump wacks them they will continue to feel they are entitled to demand what ever they want. Trump really is a f##king waste of oxygen.
- Nov 11, 2009
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Kompromat imho.
Even someone like Trump isn't that stupid.
Theres surely an ulterior reason in Trumps inability to say much or actually do anything negative towards Putin.
He's compromised at some level.
Doesn't mean he was a spy or anything that far fetched, but something dodgy or which he'd never want to become public?
Could be wrong of course, buy I do genuinely think Putin has something in that sphere and uses it as some form of reflexive control.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Let's hope so.
I'm happier with their brazen approach - they are showing everyone what they want to do. Europe needs to increase support to Ukraine.
Trump needs to pressure Iran to stop providing weapons to Russia (should be part of US negotiations on nuclear).
Trump needs to pressure rocket man.
Trump needs to pressure Putin...if he doesn't now then we know he never will.
Yes, I believe that. I know there's lots of debate but I believe it now. Trump's 'threats' on Russia are all hollow...he never follows up.
The shenanigans in Istanbul... Trump 'justifying' after event that Putin wouldn't go because he didn't
...nice one, well I hope Zelenskiy and Erdogan had a good meeting of minds at least.So, what could the kompromat be
- Russian election interference pro Trump?
- Russian finance used for Trump family to prevent bankruptcy, for Musk to buy Twitter? Maybe that's all known and not illegal
- Epstein stuff?
No idea - but if it's not kompromat then I don't know how to explain Trump's one-sided stance. As you say he's not stupid - lazy with details, yes, but not stupid.
Bill Browder Interview with Times Radio.
After discussion of WHY hasn't Trump followed through on any of his threats to Putin? Why doesn't he implement (or allow Congress to implement) the sanctions increase proposed by Lindsey Graham?...etc etc
Browder: "There's something going on with Putin and Trump and only those two know what it is".
After discussion of WHY hasn't Trump followed through on any of his threats to Putin? Why doesn't he implement (or allow Congress to implement) the sanctions increase proposed by Lindsey Graham?...etc etc
Browder: "There's something going on with Putin and Trump and only those two know what it is".