[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[TomandJerry]

That is a very good question.
However benefits are paid on a needs basis.
For example if benefits are related to health they may be worth more than minimum wage. That's fine by me.
My current health interventions probably cost more than the minimum wage.
That's how taxes are taken at times when the benefits may be low,
and benefits (such as free NHS treatment) paid at times of need.
That's socialism.

There should be no option for people to decide whether to work or receive benefits.
If you are fit to work and work is available.....
In any case this is by and large how it works now.
There is an issue with sicknoting (which I see at uni with mitigating circumstances extension requests),
but this could be tweaked.

I don't accept any narrative that most people on benefits are on benefits because they get more via benefits than they would get on a minimum wage job.

The thing that bugs me is the sudden appearance of income tax above a random income threshold.
If we were all taxed at the same % then nobody would be pissing about trying to keep income below thresholds.

That is a very good question.
However benefits are paid on a needs basis.
For example if benefits are related to health they may be worth more than minimum wage. That's fine by me.
My current health interventions probably cost more than the minimum wage.
That's how taxes are taken at times when the benefits may be low,
and benefits (such as free NHS treatment) paid at times of need.
That's socialism.

There should be no option for people to decide whether to work or receive benefits.
If you are fit to work and work is available.....
In any case this is by and large how it works now.
There is an issue with sicknoting (which I see at uni with mitigating circumstances extension requests),
but this could be tweaked.

I don't accept any narrative that most people on benefits are on benefits because they get more via benefits than they would get on a minimum wage job.

The thing that bugs me is the sudden appearance of income tax above a random income threshold.
If we were all taxed at the same % then nobody would be pissing about trying to keep income below thresholds.

But I'm sure you can understand the frustration that some working people have who are on a minimum wage job but know someone on benefits earns more?

Work has to pay, otherwise what's the incentive?

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I understand the sentiment but they have a democratic mandate within the councils they were elected in

They have no democratic mandate to meddle with somebody else's pension fund.

Bastards.

Thieves.

 

[Weststander]

BJ won huge in the 2019 general election on the promise of Brexit, though.

Widely felt Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott caused it. For two well known reasons:
- A shopping list nonsense spend and tax plan that didn’t add up.
- Duplicitous. Pretended to be Remain to Remainers despite being career long anti EEC/EC/EU, and a Brexiteer to Red Wall Brexit voters. The public saw through that.

 

[TomandJerry]

You should really read your own sources before quoting them

Reform is projected to have at least one councillor on committees that together control more than £100bn in assets, of which £30bn is estimated to be overseen by committees where the party’s councillors will hold a majority of seats.

That's definitely going to influence Pension committees made up of councillors, council officials and employees

If you don't want people to think Reform voters are stupid, stop saying stupid things.

Or maybe troll someone else

And just between you and me, I think 'they' are onto you. Maybe keep your head down for a bit

And I appreciate you pointing out the information that I missed

 

[Cordwainer]

New councillor Andrew Hamilton-Gray revealed as sacked policeman

Andrew Hamilton-Gray won a seat in Loughborough for Reform, with almost 40% of the vote.

www.bbc.co.uk

According to this chump, he wants our country back.

Any ideas as to its location and who took it??

 

[WATFORD zero]

And I appreciate you pointing out the information that I missed

You're very welcome, this bit in particular, I'm sure

Or maybe troll someone else

And just between you and me, I think 'they' are onto you. Maybe keep your head down for a bit

 

[Bodian]

New councillor Andrew Hamilton-Gray revealed as sacked policeman

Andrew Hamilton-Gray won a seat in Loughborough for Reform, with almost 40% of the vote.

www.bbc.co.uk

According to this chump, he wants our country back.

Any ideas as to its location and who took it??

He sounds like a perfect fit with the CEO of the limited company he has joined.

 

[TomandJerry]

You're very welcome, this bit in particular, I'm sure

Well, I'm always happy to be proven wrong and corrected - though I'm curious, who are 'they' and what are they onto

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

Of course Brexit changed UK immigration from young and transient to older and permanent with dependants. This was the Tory choice and with their path to power aided by Reform (or whatever they were called back then)

To be fair Milliband has us a good course to net-zero and provided Labour stay on it and last till at least 2029 its will be hard to reverse, cheap renewables will always beat legacy fossil fuels without tax breaks.

With the US trade situation sorted for now all roads are a European reset, without a stronger trading relations economic growth will be a difficult.

It will always be tough for Labour with most of the press pretty hostile to them whatever they do. They need to get better at cutting through the noise and calling us the spiffs. grifers and snake oil people

Agreed.

 

[Triggaaar]

Yes. "least worst". That's not my narrative (and not in any way what I think) but that's absolutely what I hear.

from people who don't understand the reality of their choice

Just like working class Americans voted for Trump, and then Trump gave his billionaire friends tax cuts while the working families see the cost of goods increase.

 

[darkwolf666]

But I'm sure you can understand the frustration that some working people have who are on a minimum wage job but know someone on benefits earns more?

Work has to pay, otherwise what's the incentive?

Which benefits pay more than minimum wage, that someone on minimum wage wouldn’t also be entitled to?

 

[TomandJerry]

Which benefits pay more than minimum wage, that someone on minimum wage wouldn’t also be entitled to?

"Claimants could earn £3,000 more per year than minimum wage workers, according to analysis by CSJ

Analysis by the Centre for Social Justice think tank found people on the top level of sickness benefits now earn an average of £23,900 a year while those on the minimum wage take home just £20,650 after tax.

A new documentary, Britain’s Benefit Scandal, has found evidence that some low paid workers are now trying to get themselves signed off sick."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/01/sickness-benefit-worth-more-minimum-wage-job/

 

[Guinness Boy]

"Claimants could earn £3,000 more per year than minimum wage workers, according to analysis by CSJ

Analysis by the Centre for Social Justice think tank found people on the top level of sickness benefits now earn an average of £23,900 a year while those on the minimum wage take home just £20,650 after tax.

A new documentary, Britain’s Benefit Scandal, has found evidence that some low paid workers are now trying to get themselves signed off sick."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/01/sickness-benefit-worth-more-minimum-wage-job/

The same Centre for Social Justice that was founded by right wing Tory Iain Duncan-Smith? That CSJ?

 

[darkwolf666]

"Claimants could earn £3,000 more per year than minimum wage workers, according to analysis by CSJ

Analysis by the Centre for Social Justice think tank found people on the top level of sickness benefits now earn an average of £23,900 a year while those on the minimum wage take home just £20,650 after tax.

A new documentary, Britain’s Benefit Scandal, has found evidence that some low paid workers are now trying to get themselves signed off sick."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/01/sickness-benefit-worth-more-minimum-wage-job/

I can’t read the article, behind a paywall, but I am guessing the path of trajectory as it’s The Telegraph!

I ask again, which benefits pay more than minimum wage?

The top level of adult sickness benefit (PIP) works out at £9,750 per annum, what other “sickness” benefits have The Telegraph added on to make their headline story!

 

[darkwolf666]

The same Centre for Social Justice that was founded by right wing Tory Iain Duncan-Smith? That CSJ?

Colour me shocked…!

 

[Guinness Boy]

I can’t read the article, behind a paywall, but I am guessing the path of trajectory as it’s The Telegraph!

I ask again, which benefits pay more than minimum wage?

The top level of adult sickness benefit (PIP) works out at £9,750 per annum, what other “sickness” benefits have The Telegraph added on to make their headline story!

It was “research”.

Funded by a leading right wing Tory.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The same Centre for Social Justice that was founded by right wing Tory Iain Duncan-Smith? That CSJ?

Many of the ‘Think Tanks’ are Tory funded. The Taxpayers Association for example, many of whom are based at Tufton Street.

 

[TomandJerry]

The same Centre for Social Justice that was founded by right wing Tory Iain Duncan-Smith? That CSJ?

I mean, I'd like to think that whoever funded it, the article is accurate in what they are saying.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I mean, I'd like to think that whoever funded it, the article is accurate in what they are saying.

Why?

It’s a Tory funded Think Tank. And all it can deliver is an edge case.

Proper research is a little more extensive, independent and auditable

 

[TomandJerry]

Why?

It’s a Tory funded Think Tank. And all it can deliver is an edge case.

Proper research is a little more extensive, independent and auditable

Because, I thought the Telegraph was a reliable source of information, not one for spreading false facts/information