[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[raymondo]

Oh do fxck off Witkoff. "What Russia will accept.... must talk to Putin etc" .Go to Ukraine and talk to Zelenskiy, visit Bucha.
Of course it's about territory - fxck off Russia.
PS the Pope says the whole Trump administration are morons.

 

[peterward]

Oh do fxck off Witkoff. "What Russia will accept.... must talk to Putin etc" .Go to Ukraine and talk to Zelenskiy, visit Bucha.
Of course it's about territory - fxck off Russia.
PS the Pope says the whole Trump administration are morons.

"The Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant is a big part of this discussion because it’s a little bit of a crown jewel and it’s been closed, but we need to reopen that because it delivers a lot of electricity into some of the cities in Kyiv."

You what Witless?

 

[peterward]

 

[Eric the meek]

Oh do fxck off Witkoff. "What Russia will accept.... must talk to Putin etc" .Go to Ukraine and talk to Zelenskiy, visit Bucha.
Of course it's about territory - fxck off Russia.
PS the Pope says the whole Trump administration are morons.

I read somewhere (....) that he pronounced Luhansk as 'Lugansk'.

Guess what? That's the way that Russians pronounce it. It says it all really.

 

[GT49er]

Oh do fxck off Witkoff. "What Russia will accept.... must talk to Putin etc" .Go to Ukraine and talk to Zelenskiy, visit Bucha.
Of course it's about territory - fxck off Russia.
PS the Pope says the whole Trump administration are morons.

It's impossible to give credence to anything this talking arsehole says - wouldn't have been a war if the election (of Biden) wasn't a 'false election'. Geez, this fool would probably believe it if you told him Custer won the battle of Little Big Horn!

 

[fly high]

Oh do fxck off Witkoff. "What Russia will accept.... must talk to Putin etc" .Go to Ukraine and talk to Zelenskiy, visit Bucha.
Of course it's about territory - fxck off Russia.
PS the Pope says the whole Trump administration are morons.

I changed my comment to as the more I thought about what Witless said the more angry I got. He said "There is no deal without President Putin’s sign off. He is the leader of the Russian Federation, so the notion of not talking to President Putin is somehow something people are against, I don’t understand that logic. We need to talk to everybody. Any stakeholders in this conflict, we have to have a conversation with them — and we can’t accept another person’s version of what they think. We have to hear it for ourselves. That’s how you get to a solution." No mention of him meeting Ukraine. When has this f#cking moron ever been to Ukraine & had a meeting with Zelensky? Never. Only ever had meetings with Putin, on his own, with Russian translators and he is very happy to accept Putin's version & lies. F''cking moron.I know said it twice but worth repeating again, f#cking moron.,

 

[raymondo]

"The Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant is a big part of this discussion because it’s a little bit of a crown jewel and it’s been closed, but we need to reopen that because it delivers a lot of electricity into some of the cities in Kyiv."

You what Witless?

He's a prize wanker and it's dangerous that he's involved anywhere - must be exhausting for Zelenskiy and co, trying not to speak their minds about Trump's morons.

 

[raymondo]

I changed my comment to as the more I thought about what Witless said the more angry I got. He said "There is no deal without President Putin’s sign off. He is the leader of the Russian Federation, so the notion of not talking to President Putin is somehow something people are against, I don’t understand that logic. We need to talk to everybody. Any stakeholders in this conflict, we have to have a conversation with them — and we can’t accept another person’s version of what they think. We have to hear it for ourselves. That’s how you get to a solution." No mention of him meeting Ukraine. When has this f#cking moron ever been to Ukraine & had a meeting with Zelensky? Never. Only ever had meetings with Putin, on his own, with Russian translators and he is very happy to accept Putin's version & lies. F''cking moron.I know said it twice but worth repeating again, f#cking moron.,

It's painful to read anything about Witkoff... for my health and sanity I really must stop
Have I got it wrong, is it's Kellogg's job to talk with Ukraine and Kellogg and Witless duke it out in Istanbul?

 

[Eric the meek]

It's painful to read anything about Witkoff... for my health and sanity I really must stop

You can't escape.

Witkoff and Kellogg are going to Istanbul....

 

[raymondo]

I read somewhere (....) that he pronounced Luhansk as 'Lugansk'.

Guess what? That's the way that Russians pronounce it. It says it all really.

He'd just cite his Russian ancestry

 

[raymondo]

It's impossible to give credence to anything this talking arsehole says - wouldn't have been a war if the election (of Biden) wasn't a 'false election'. Geez, this fool would probably believe it if you told him Custer won the battle of Little Big Horn!

I know you're right and I should pay no attention to his bs and interviews (especially with Breitbart IIRC). Unfortunately he seems to have an important role so I make myself read his shit, then make a cuppa

 

[Pavilionaire]

Witkoff kept repeating "the two sides" must get together, as opposed to "Zelenskyy and Putin must get together". The difference is crucial.

It is possible Zelenskyy will turn up in Istanbul, but Putin will not go and send a Russian delegation in his place. That meets Witkoff's criteria but - of course - without Putin at the table talks are a waste of time.

Indeed, if that happens then it makes Trump seem weak because he was not able to exert influence to make Putin attend.

This is schoolboy level diplomacy.

 

[fly high]

I know you're right and I should pay no attention to his bs and interviews (especially with Breitbart IIRC). Unfortunately he seems to have an important role so I make myself read his shit, then make a cuppa

Wouldn't a stiff drink be better?

 

[raymondo]

Wouldn't a stiff drink be better?

You don't know what's in the cuppa .
Actually, no it doesn't help me

 

[raymondo]

You can't escape.

Witkoff and Kellogg are going to Istanbul....

Oh hurrah... Witless will be so disappointed if his Russian mate doesn't turn up - actually, he'll just defend him.

 

[raymondo]

A demonstration of why Putin can't stop the war and let any of these guys return to civilian life

 

[SouthSaxon]

A demonstration of why Putin can't stop the war and let any of these guys return to civilian life

In the old days, they’d have been shot with no questions asked.

But I agree - I think part of his reluctance to agree a 30 day ceasefire is that it would result in a lot of front line troops just going home.

 

[papachris]

Tomorrow will be interesting here in Estonia. Pretty sure a lot of other countries have been making preparations/ precautions too

What will happen during Estonia's public warning system test on May 14?

On Wednesday (May 14) at 3 p.m., Estonia's public warning system will be tested nationwide for the first time. What will happen during this time and how should you prepare?

news.err.ee

 

[peterward]

 

[Pavilionaire]

The news about the depletion of Russian oil stocks further supports the view that if Trump were as committed to defending Ukraine as Biden was then Ukraine's best option would be to tough it out until Russia runs out of cash.

Putin is in a terrible bind now. He has a war economy that cannot be switched back to civilian production without a lot of short-term upheaval. He is losing soldiers who will be required to rebuild the Russian economy if peace comes. He has interest rates at 21% - so people and businesses can't afford to borrow. He has double-digit inflation at 10.3%, and no sign of Europe lifting sanctions any time soon.

I cannot see him being able to hold on to what he has for more than a year. Trump has been an absolute godsend for Putin, who doesn't appreciate just how weak the Russian position is.