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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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Beware of the response from a bitter and humiliated Putin.
seagull_si
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That airfield is less than 50 miles from the Kremlin.
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Does anyone know if there will be a live stream of the Victory Parade on Friday?
Personally, I think it should go ahead. Ukraine deserves the recognition.
Personally, I think it should go ahead. Ukraine deserves the recognition.
All very focused attacks - and demonstrating that Russia cannot protect even important civilian and manufacturing sites
Isn't it on Sky or TNT
There will be, absolutely.
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That's a lot of drones
That's a lot of drones, but consider this.
Ukraine has sufficient numbers in storage, and/or sufficient visibility of distributed production of them, to be willing to lose that number in one night.
'From "Kyiv in three days" to "447 drones and missiles on Russia in one night."
papachris
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I like this
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Baltics close airspace to world leaders traveling to Russia for May 9
Foreign leaders' requests to use Estonian airspace to attend Russia's May 9 celebrations are "out of the question," Minister of Foreign Affairs Margus Tsahkna (Eesti 200) said on Wednesday, following media reports the Baltic states had denied requests from visiting dignitaries.
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The first reply from Akash sums up my feelings
This is just an observation. See that map.
I don't know how accurate it is, or if it just tracks drones from where the Russian systems pick them up, but it would appear that many of them don't actually originate in Ukraine. Many appear to originate from within Russia. This could be completely wrong and a red herring of course.
Akash wrote a poignant reply. But I was drawn to the one from Lawrence Duff.
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Darin Gerdes explaining the Ukrainian operations today.
How about this at 00.39,
'Rumors (unconfirmed) that Russia has deployed c.280 air defence systems for the 9th May parade in Moscow, with additional units from Kazan and Grozny'.
A few days ago, I speculated that Zelensky was playing Putin, and seeking to draw his air defence systems to Moscow, thereby leaving other targets exposed. What I didn't see coming was the sheer scale of the deception and the resultant attacks by Ukraine. And there may be more to come.
How about this at 00.39,
'Rumors (unconfirmed) that Russia has deployed c.280 air defence systems for the 9th May parade in Moscow, with additional units from Kazan and Grozny'.
A few days ago, I speculated that Zelensky was playing Putin, and seeking to draw his air defence systems to Moscow, thereby leaving other targets exposed. What I didn't see coming was the sheer scale of the deception and the resultant attacks by Ukraine. And there may be more to come.
fly high
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'Why would we play Putin's game?': Ukrainians see Russian lull as sideshow
Russia is expected to begin a self-declared three-day pause in fighting against Ukraine on Wednesday night.
www.bbc.co.uk
Ukraine not playing Putin's game so he has no idea if his parade is under threat or not.
I imagine the tracks are from where Russian radar picks them up,as you surmised, but it's a guess
.I can't see Mr Duff',s reply, or it's a second level?
Very good video, lots of detail
.And of course... after the naff parade thingy... it'll take a while to get those air defence systems back to whence they came. Maybe Ukraine will target some on their way.
Towards the end of the video the Prof pointed out Ukraine's unveiling of a new kamikaze drone with a range of 1600km
. One day they'll be able to reach North Korea 
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That's odd - it's not there any more.I imagine the tracks are from where Russian radar picks them up,as you surmised, but it's a guess
I can't see Mr Duff',s reply, or it's a second level?
The gist of it was that Ukraine, at least going by the production aim of 4 million drones by year end, can keep deploying at the rate they are now. They can swamp Moscow and wider Russia if the target is within range. After they have exhausted Russia's air defences, they will be unopposed and can 'turn Moscow to Gaza rubble'.
That was roughly what the tweet said.
ahh, ok - do you think a combination of "swamp Moscow" or "Gaza rubble" satisfies Musk's auto deletion criteria?? Actually I thought Musk had said it's open season, but maybe he has his personal dislikes.
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You're probably right but obviously I can't be sure.
I was more taken by the numbers. The attacks involved a maximum of 477 drones (some of them were missiles I understand). That still 'only' equates to 174105 drones annually. Obviously there are drones and drones - some will take considerably longer to build than others - but that figure is still only 4.3% of the 4 million that Ukraine is aiming to build this year.
Right, yes, astonishing drone numbers. I hadn't quite got my head around them until you spelled it out
. Their issue may become training sufficient drone operators, more than producing the drones themselves.I did read something a couple of weeks back: very good drone operators can run about 9 short sorties per shift/day
, actually my memory is very hazy on that one so I could be way off. Still, I can imagine that long distance FPV flights are watched all the way ?I also read yesterday (yes, I don't know where) that drone operators near or at the front line (surveillance drones or short flight combat drones) are often injured or sometimes killed as the Russians are able to track/identify their hiding places, which are often just mud bunkers. That stopped my illusion of the operators mainly being in some 'control point' office type structure.