[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[Bodian]

Who the f*** signs their tweets?

PRESIDENT DONALD J TRUMP - that's who.

 

[Albion my Albion]

PRESIDENT DONALD J TRUMP - that's who.

Otherwise the MAGA Trump supporters might confuse him with another Donald Trump.

 

[Albion my Albion]

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How faith groups feel about the ethics of the Trump administration​

A Deseret News/Hinckley Institute of Politics survey conducted in mid-April by HarrisX showed that the share of registered voters in Utah who strongly approve of Trump’s job performance (30%) is the same as the share who strongly disapprove (30%).

A new poll from Pew Research Center highlighted a similar divide among U.S. Christians.

For example, the survey showed that Protestant Christians in the U.S. can be nearly equally divided by their approval ratings for Trump, with 48% saying they disapprove of the way he’s handling his job as president and 50% saying they approve.

Incredibly way too high approval rating. Hopefully when the tariff price increases happen there will be a sharp increase in non-approval for Trump.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

It's weird as I thought he was going to end the war in less than a week or something?

JD Vance: Russia's war in Ukraine not ending 'any time soon'

The US vice-president says it is still up to Russia and Ukraine to end the "brutal" conflict.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[SouthSaxon]

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How faith groups feel about the ethics of the Trump administration​

A Deseret News/Hinckley Institute of Politics survey conducted in mid-April by HarrisX showed that the share of registered voters in Utah who strongly approve of Trump’s job performance (30%) is the same as the share who strongly disapprove (30%).

A new poll from Pew Research Center highlighted a similar divide among U.S. Christians.

For example, the survey showed that Protestant Christians in the U.S. can be nearly equally divided by their approval ratings for Trump, with 48% saying they disapprove of the way he’s handling his job as president and 50% saying they approve.

Incredibly way too high approval rating. Hopefully when the tariff price increases happen there will be a sharp increase in non-approval for Trump.

Trump’s Old Testament values are right up their street, with the prophetic judgments, the commandments (“thou shalt not buy from foreign lands”) and the promise of rampant smiting.

 

[The Clamp]

It's weird as I thought he was going to end the war in less than a week or something?

JD Vance: Russia's war in Ukraine not ending 'any time soon'

The US vice-president says it is still up to Russia and Ukraine to end the "brutal" conflict.

www.bbc.co.uk

Hmm.

Basically they’ve got their minerals deal so they’re packing up and going home.

Proof, if proof were needed that the U.S. were only ever there to negotiate their profitable deal and not to negotiate for peace.

Scum.

 

[raymondo]

Hmm.

Basically they’ve got their minerals deal so they’re packing up and going home.

Proof, if proof were needed that the U.S. were only ever there to negotiate their profitable deal and not to negotiate for peace.

Scum.

Does sound like that doesn't it.
Trump says Zelenskiy is difficult to deal with - in which case, the Trump Administration is fxcking impossible to deal with, every one of them.

 

[Zeberdi]

Trump’s Old Testament values are right up their street, with the prophetic judgments, the commandments (“thou shalt not buy from foreign lands”) and the promise of rampant smiting.

Except the ‘message’ and ‘values’ of Christianity is based on the New Testament/Gospels (the OT/Torah is Jewish scripture)

The appeal for the Evangelicals (and that’s a strong core Christian support for the Republicans/Trump) is their position on abortion, immigration and promises to ‘bring back Christianity to America’, so basically white Christian nationalism.

The appeal amongst Zionist Jewish Republicans voters is Trump’s position on Israel.

The pole @Albion my Albion references is conducted in Utah so includes a large Mormon/Church of the Latter Day Saints population who are largely anti-Trump and sharply divided from the white Christian nationalists that are very pro-Trump.

Trump’s Problem with Mormon Voters is Getting Worse - The Survey Center on American Life

His ongoing weaknesses with a loyal Republican group could spell trouble for the GOP

www.americansurveycenter.org

 

[The Clamp]

So Donald and JD, you got the minerals deal signed, congratulations.


-Thanks, it’s historic. A great deal. The best deal ever. A brilliant deal. We know all about deals. Perhaps more than anyone else.


And what now for your peace negotiations?

-Oh that? Never gonna happen. Zelenskyy is too difficult. No more questions.

*picks up minerals contracts and leaves room*

 

[Flounce]

Does sound like that doesn't it.
Trump says Zelenskiy is difficult to deal with - in which case, the Trump Administration is fxcking impossible to deal with, every one of them.

One is a very astute statesman with massive cojones, the other is just a thick bullying thug more suited to running a banana republic.

The phrase banana republic was coined in 1904 by American writer O. Henry. A banana republic is a country with an economy of state capitalism, where the country is operated as a private commercial enterprise for the exclusive profit of the ruling class.

Zelensky has the most unenviable job in world politics having to deal with a murderer on one side and a thug on the other just to keep his country’s sovereignty.

I fully expect some further shenanigans from Trump over the minerals deal too.

 

[Titanic]

*picks up minerals contracts and leaves room*

Not worth the paper it's written on if Russia occupy the land.

 

[The Clamp]

Not worth the paper it's written on if Russia occupy the land.

Very good point.

I don’t think Trump is a details man. It’s all about how things appear.

 

[SouthSaxon]

Except the ‘message’ and ‘values’ of Christianity is based on the New Testament/Gospels (the OT/Torah is Jewish scripture)

The appeal for the Evangelicals (and that’s a strong core Christian support for the Republicans/Trump) is their position on abortion, immigration and promises to ‘bring back Christianity to America’, so basically white Christian nationalism.

The pole @Albion my Albion references is conducted in Utah so includes a large Mormon/Church of the Latter Day Saints population who are largely anti-Trump and sharply divided from the white Christian nationalists that are very pro-Trump.

Trump’s Problem with Mormon Voters is Getting Worse - The Survey Center on American Life

His ongoing weaknesses with a loyal Republican group could spell trouble for the GOP

www.americansurveycenter.org

In theory. In practice, Christians are often more bloodthirsty and militant than average. In the US, that means higher than average gun ownership. No matter how much someone might argue it’s for self-defence, it’s hardly turning the other cheek.

I could go on, but this isn’t the right thread. Suffice to say that life has taught me that there’s no hypocrite like a Christian hypocrite.

God and guns often go together in US history – this course examines why

Support for strong gun ownership rights is often associated with conservative Christian views, but religion and self-defense have a much longer history in the United States.

theconversation.com

 

[Berty23]

In theory. In practice, Christians are often more bloodthirsty and militant than average. In the US, that means higher than average gun ownership. No matter how much someone might argue it’s for self-defence, it’s hardly turning the other cheek.

I could go on, but this isn’t the right thread. Suffice to say that life has taught me that there’s no hypocrite like a Christian hypocrite.

God and guns often go together in US history – this course examines why

Support for strong gun ownership rights is often associated with conservative Christian views, but religion and self-defense have a much longer history in the United States.

theconversation.com

Isn’t that similar to here (views not guns) where loads go and pray for those suffering from war and famine then pop home to read the mail on Sunday and rant to anyone that will listen about bloody foreigners.

 

[Zeberdi]

In theory. In practice, Christians are often more bloodthirsty and militant than average. In the US, that means higher than average gun ownership. No matter how much someone might argue it’s for self-defence, it’s hardly turning the other cheek.

I could go on, but this isn’t the right thread. Suffice to say that life has taught me that there’s no hypocrite like a Christian hypocrite.

God and guns often go together in US history – this course examines why

Support for strong gun ownership rights is often associated with conservative Christian views, but religion and self-defense have a much longer history in the United States.

theconversation.com

It isn’t theory that Christians are deeply divided over support for Trump. It is also not the case that all Evangelical Christians in the US are white, bible clutching fundamentalists - for example 1 in 3 Evangelicals are of colour. Also gun ownership is proportionately higher among Evangelicals but not other Christian denominations - your link demonstrates the point I was making.

There are hypocrites in every religion and all walks of life regardless of belief/non-belief and I’m not defending it. Yes, one would think those who have “seen the light” should know better. Holy scriptures (eg the Q’ran, the Torah, the NT, the Bhagavad Gita etc are (supposedly) Divine inspired instructions on how humans are supposed to live benignly and morally especially in relation to others. However, they are all written by ‘man’ and all have been since they were written, and still are, subject to political (mis)appropriation, re-interpretation and expediency.

I think when we start making generalisations about people of particular faiths, denominations or cultures we can miss the bigger picture and risk falling into the trap ourselves of being judgmental and even racist.

Part of that bigger (and IMO more dangerous) picture, is that Populist political leaders like Trump, can latch onto faith groups as ready made audiences (and thus potential class voters) and mobilise them into political activity for nefarious means. For Trump, that has nothing to do with religion but to consolidate his own political power and wealth.

 

[raymondo]

One is a very astute statesman with massive cojones, the other is just a thick bullying thug more suited to running a banana republic.

The phrase banana republic was coined in 1904 by American writer O. Henry. A banana republic is a country with an economy of state capitalism, where the country is operated as a private commercial enterprise for the exclusive profit of the ruling class.

Zelensky has the most unenviable job in world politics having to deal with a murderer on one side and a thug on the other just to keep his country’s sovereignty.

I fully expect some further shenanigans from Trump over the minerals deal too.

Very well phrased . Yes, I too expect Trump to start criticising Ukraine/Zelenskiy over the minerals deal at some point, you know "our geologists say there's less rare earths there than we thought - Ukraine has played us..." that sort of shit.

 

[Mellotron]

It'll be a long hard road. Democratic institutions have been/are being destroyed and they are difficult for any country to build even in times of consensus. Courts are packed with partisan hacks, some for life, dark money won't stop when Trump stops, and the Democrats are riddled with compromised careerists without the courage or inclination to undo the damage that will have been done.

The Roe v Wade fix seems a precedent as to how things will proceed. Right Wing extremists appointed to courts to do the bidding of billionaire funded interest groups in opposition to the desires of the majority. Democrats put up a moderate in opposition to an extremist and even when he wins, he doesn't undo the fix, because he still believes in the sanctity of divisions of power and thinks that interfering would be attacking them rather than protecting them from the attack they've been under for decades.

Trump's lunacy is the distraction. Whilst we're listening to him babbling about Greenland and tariffs, the Heritage Foundation is reshaping America in it's own image. All the time they've been using George Soros as their very own Emmanuel Goldstein, a group of billionaire families who could buy and sell Soros many times over* have been ensuring that their interests and only their interests are served by American courts and politicians. https://www.desmog.com/2024/08/14/p...nald-trump-jd-vance-charles-koch-peter-coors/

* Soros is 453rd on the Forbes rich list with $7.2b. Koch is 22nd with $67.5b, his brother's widow and family are 21st with $74.2b, Richard and Elizabeth Uihlein are joint 581st with $6b each. Musk is 1st with $342b, Zuckerberg, Bezos and Ellison who were all at the inauguration, make up the rest of the top five. To mix my Orwell metaphors, the 'Squealer' Murdochs at No 87 will be doing everything they can to convince the nation that you have always been at war with Eastasia. (The trouble with Marx was that he warned the powerful what might be coming and the trouble with Orwell is that he gave them a blueprint to follow).

Makes me wonder why I bother putting my socks on the right feet in the morning, to be honest.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I thought anything this buffoon said would no longer surprise me, but it has. This will alienate his pal, Putin.

 

[The Clamp]

 

[Scappa]

Isn’t that similar to here (views not guns) where loads go and pray for those suffering from war and famine then pop home to read the mail on Sunday and rant to anyone that will listen about bloody foreigners.

Those on inflatable rafts crossing the channel, no less