[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Eric the meek]

Jeez, gift wrap Russia's war spoils. Any pretence of the USA being an honest peace broker shot to shit

Ukraine war latest: US envoy Witkoff proposes giving Russia 'ownership' of Ukrainian regions, Reuters reports

Key developments on April 11: * US envoy Witkoff proposes giving Russia 'ownership' of Ukrainian regions, Reuters reports * Trump urges Russia "to get moving" to end war against Ukraine * Putin meets U.S. envoy Witkoff to discuss Ukraine, Kremlin says * "Several hundred" Chinese nationals...

kyivindependent.com

This is what happens when you put a golfing buddy in such a pivotal role.

He doesn't understand the invalidity of the referendums, and reacts to pressure from Trump to deliver a peace proposal. Any peace proposal.
The result is one that is never going to work, is - of course - unacceptable to Ukraine and gives false hope to Russia.

Another shitshow for the Trump administration, following on swiftly from the last one.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

This is what happens when you put a golfing buddy in such a pivotal role.

He doesn't understand the invalidity of the referendums, and reacts to pressure from Trump to deliver a peace proposal. Any peace proposal.
The result is one that is never going to work, is - of course - unacceptable to Ukraine and gives false hope to Russia.

Another shitshow for the Trump administration, following on swiftly from the last one.

One of the very many things the Trump fails to understand is that Ukraine has very significant backing from Europe and the rest of the world. They don’t need to negotiate as they aren’t the weak party, Russia is. Trump and Putin could have peace talks every day and they would be meaningless. It’s almost laughable in its stupidity.

 

[SouthSaxon]

These idiots are now demanding full control of the gas pipeline that runs through Ukraine from Russia.

I’d guess the Ukrainians will play along with this nonsense without actually signing for as long as they can, but they must be exasperated by this point.

US ‘demands control’ from Ukraine of key pipeline carrying Russian gas

Senior Kyiv economist describes latest postion of Trump administration in talks as ‘colonial-type’ bullying

www.theguardian.com

 

[raymondo]

This is what happens when you put a golfing buddy in such a pivotal role.

He doesn't understand the invalidity of the referendums, and reacts to pressure from Trump to deliver a peace proposal. Any peace proposal.
The result is one that is never going to work, is - of course - unacceptable to Ukraine and gives false hope to Russia.

Another shitshow for the Trump administration, following on swiftly from the last one.

They will keep creating shit shows hoping that recipients get exhausted and one of them sticks

 

[raymondo]

These idiots are now demanding full control of the gas pipeline that runs through Ukraine from Russia.

I’d guess the Ukrainians will play along with this nonsense without actually signing for as long as they can, but they must be exasperated by this point.

US ‘demands control’ from Ukraine of key pipeline carrying Russian gas

Senior Kyiv economist describes latest postion of Trump administration in talks as ‘colonial-type’ bullying

www.theguardian.com

Just delay, delay, delay Ukraine,and draw down those weapons as fast as possible from Poland.

 

[SouthSaxon]

Just delay, delay, delay Ukraine,and draw down those weapons as fast as possible from Poland.

I think once they’ve had the last of the Biden aid, that’ll be more or less it. Trump certainly seems unlikely to agree to more, though you never know for certain with the capricious orange bell end.

That would really just leave the intelligence sharing, which could still be got from Europe and Starlink, which they’re gearing up to replace with Eutelsat.

At some point, Ukraine will be in a position to just start ghosting the Americans I hope.

 

[raymondo]

Increase in shell supplies from the EU

EU expects to transfer 2 million artillery shells to Ukraine by the end of the year - Euromaidan Press

EU chief diplomat Kaja Kallas revealed that ammunition deliveries to Ukraine have reached the one million mark with plans to deliver another million before 2026.

euromaidanpress.com

 

[raymondo]

Now the US are getting nervous and angry that the EU weapons procurement program may exclude purchases from the US ( you are no longer trusted allies!!).
Watch for very public threats incoming from the US.

US warns EU against excluding American companies from € 150 billion defense initiative which can supply Ukraine with weapons - Euromaidan Press

US officials press European countries to maintain access for American defense companies as EU plans €150 billion ReArm initiative that could limit participation of non-EU firms amid growing transatlantic tensions.

euromaidanpress.com

 

[Eric the meek]

Just delay, delay, delay Ukraine,and draw down those weapons as fast as possible from Poland.

I'm sure they will do this. I'm also sure they will continue to make the right noises, keeping the US onside, keep Trump dangling, until one day, probably when Trump has given them a deadline, they will politely decline Trump's kind offer, telling him they have made alternative arrangements.

In less than three months of being in office, Trump has lost the goodwill and trust of not only Ukraine, but the whole world. In that regard he is following in Putin's steps. In a way, I think this helps Ukraine, in that it knows where it stands, and who its friends are.

Five million FPV drones is the aim for 2025.

 

[fly high]

Now the US are getting nervous and angry that the EU weapons procurement program may exclude purchases from the US ( you are no longer trusted allies!!).
Watch for very public threats incoming from the US.

US warns EU against excluding American companies from € 150 billion defense initiative which can supply Ukraine with weapons - Euromaidan Press

US officials press European countries to maintain access for American defense companies as EU plans €150 billion ReArm initiative that could limit participation of non-EU firms amid growing transatlantic tensions.

euromaidanpress.com

If they can exclude UK because of stupid French banging on about fishing deal why would they buy anything from US who keep telling us we are on our own.

 

[raymondo]

I'm sure they will do this. I'm also sure they will continue to make the right noises, keeping the US onside, keep Trump dangling, until one day, probably when Trump has given them a deadline, they will politely decline Trump's kind offer, telling him they have made alternative arrangements.

In less than three months of being in office, Trump has lost the goodwill and trust of not only Ukraine, but the whole world. In that regard he is following in Putin's steps. In a way, I think this helps Ukraine, in that it knows where it stands, and who its friends are.

Five million FPV drones is the aim for 2025.

Yes, the clarity that the US is a very poor ally (at best) does help.
I hope the EU either freezes the US out of it's planned procurement program, or, maybe better?, can identify weaponry that doesn't require US approval for use.

 

[raymondo]

Ooh good, an oil refinery going up in flames . Long way from Ukraine, so sabotage or incompetence? Nice though. First minute of the video.

 

[Eric the meek]

Ooh good, an oil refinery going up in flames . Long way from Ukraine, so sabotage or incompetence? Nice though. First minute of the video.

6500km away. Either drone range has more than doubled, or Churchill was right. There are things going on in Russia which we don't get to hear about until the bones are flying out of the sack. (ref. Churchill's quote on Russian intrigue being like two bulldogs fighting in a sack).

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

These idiots are now demanding full control of the gas pipeline that runs through Ukraine from Russia.

I’d guess the Ukrainians will play along with this nonsense without actually signing for as long as they can, but they must be exasperated by this point.

US ‘demands control’ from Ukraine of key pipeline carrying Russian gas

Senior Kyiv economist describes latest postion of Trump administration in talks as ‘colonial-type’ bullying

www.theguardian.com

I think they’ll be laughing. It’s almost comical.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Now the US are getting nervous and angry that the EU weapons procurement program may exclude purchases from the US ( you are no longer trusted allies!!).
Watch for very public threats incoming from the US.

US warns EU against excluding American companies from € 150 billion defense initiative which can supply Ukraine with weapons - Euromaidan Press

US officials press European countries to maintain access for American defense companies as EU plans €150 billion ReArm initiative that could limit participation of non-EU firms amid growing transatlantic tensions.

euromaidanpress.com

That’s really taking the pee. What do they expect ffs!

 

[peterward]

These idiots are now demanding full control of the gas pipeline that runs through Ukraine from Russia.

I’d guess the Ukrainians will play along with this nonsense without actually signing for as long as they can, but they must be exasperated by this point.

US ‘demands control’ from Ukraine of key pipeline carrying Russian gas

Senior Kyiv economist describes latest postion of Trump administration in talks as ‘colonial-type’ bullying

www.theguardian.com

Clear as day why this specific demand is happening.

This is the pipeline through which Putin puppet Orban got his cheap Moscow subsidised gas.

Uzhgorod is on Hungarian border.

Ukraine shut it down as soon as the contract ended in January, and his bitch in Budapest got really upset.

And now fellow fascist friend Trump occupies the WH, he now tries to do Orbans bidding.

Orban wanted to undermine Ukraine/EU/NATO and still get his cheap gas from Moscow via Ukraine.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Clear as day why this specific demand is happening.

This is the pipeline through which Putin puppet Orban got his cheap Moscow subsidised gas.

Uzhgorod is on Hungarian border.

Ukraine shut it down as soon as the contract ended in January, and his bitch in Budapest got really upset.

And now fellow fascist friend Trump occupies the WH, he now tries to do Orbans bidding.

Orban wanted to undermine Ukraine/EU/NATO and still get his cheap gas from Moscow via Ukraine.

Can someone of a creative nature common up with a ‘Zelensky so what shrugging meme’, because this would be ideal for the last few US demands. I waiting for Trump to ‘scream and scream and scream until he is sick’.

 

[raymondo]

 

[raymondo]

The new air defence laser

 

[Eric the meek]

The new air defence laser

Good one. It's a decent bit of kit, and it fits into a transit van.

Apparently, it can destroy attack drones, bombs, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles at a range of 3000m, and helicopters, aircraft and reconnaissance drones at 5000m, and can blind drones, missiles, helicopters and aircraft up to 10,000m away. It can also destroy ground targets.

Unfortunately the video didn't mention the range at which it can destroy supreme commanders-in-chief. That data may have to wait until beta-testing in the live environment.