[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Doug-ees-evil]

Don't give it to the f***ing Yanks, who knows where it would go & they will want to make money out of it but free world definitely should buy it.

I would imagine it's in the UK's plans already given General Valerii Zaluzhnyi's relationship. (well let's hope so).
And you can bet the Yanks know all about it already. Whether they've got anyone competent enough in the Defense Dept. these days to do anything with that info is another matter.

 

[Triggaaar]

This bleak and terrible war has changed all wars forever.

This is one of the most concerning things. In the future I can imagine states who aren't interested in people's human rights, using AI controlled drones to destroy lives in foreign countries.

I have to say that I don't understand why the free world has done so much to build up authoritarian countries whose main aim is to end the free world.

 

[Doug-ees-evil]

This is one of the most concerning things. In the future I can imagine states who aren't interested in people's human rights, using AI controlled drones to destroy lives in foreign countries.

I have to say that I don't understand why the free world has done so much to build up authoritarian countries whose main aim is to end the free world.

Well quite. Taken their eye off the ball. Got too comfy.. too greedy and too corrupt.
The blame going back 20-30 years probably and aimed squarely at politicians off all stripes across the free world. Shameful really.

 

[Eric the meek]

Well done Estonia.

 

[papachris]

Well done Estonia.

Here is the same piece in our news

Estonian navy detains Russian 'shadow fleet' oil tanker

Estonian authorities detained an oil tanker which forms part of Russia's "shadow fleet" and which had been sailing through Estonian waters in the Gulf of Finland early on Friday morning. The seizure does not relate to damage to any critical infrastructure, Estonian Navy (Merevägi) commander Cdre...

news.err.ee

 

[raymondo]

Phillips O'Brien summary on the type of President that Trump REALLY is.

People still talk about Trump wanting a ceasefire in Ukraine because he wants “peace”. We hear arguments like he wants to end the senseless slaughter or that he wants the Nobel Peace Prize—almost certainly true as Obama has one and Trump is obsessed with things like that. I do think, however, that the saying Trump “wants” a ceasefire or “peace” is deceptive and needs to stop now. He wants a Putin victory—and sees a ceasefire or “peace” within that framework. If Putin wants to keep fighting, Trump seems more than happy to see the war continue. He is a war president, not a peace president, and this needs to be stated loudly and clearly.​

 

[Flounce]

Phillips O'Brien summary on the type of President that Trump REALLY is.

People still talk about Trump wanting a ceasefire in Ukraine because he wants “peace”. We hear arguments like he wants to end the senseless slaughter or that he wants the Nobel Peace Prize—almost certainly true as Obama has one and Trump is obsessed with things like that. I do think, however, that the saying Trump “wants” a ceasefire or “peace” is deceptive and needs to stop now. He wants a Putin victory—and sees a ceasefire or “peace” within that framework. If Putin wants to keep fighting, Trump seems more than happy to see the war continue. He is a war president, not a peace president, and this needs to be stated loudly and clearly.​

Sadly it certainly looks that way to me

The saying “No redeeming features” sums him up

 

[Bodian]

Phillips O'Brien summary on the type of President that Trump REALLY is.

People still talk about Trump wanting a ceasefire in Ukraine because he wants “peace”. We hear arguments like he wants to end the senseless slaughter or that he wants the Nobel Peace Prize—almost certainly true as Obama has one and Trump is obsessed with things like that. I do think, however, that the saying Trump “wants” a ceasefire or “peace” is deceptive and needs to stop now. He wants a Putin victory—and sees a ceasefire or “peace” within that framework. If Putin wants to keep fighting, Trump seems more than happy to see the war continue. He is a war president, not a peace president, and this needs to be stated loudly and clearly.​

Indeed. Since Putin effectively rejected his peace deal, has there been any actual activity by the USA to bring about the end of the war?

 

[raymondo]

Indeed. Since Putin effectively rejected his peace deal, has there been any actual activity by the USA to bring about the end of the war?

I think there was a new draft of the ever-more-extortionate minerals 'deal'... that's it I think.

 

[raymondo]

China is fully aware of their mercenaries as Russia openly advertises for them on Chinese social media.

'Don't come, there's nothing good here' — Chinese soldiers warn against following Russian propaganda to fight in Ukraine

The Ukrainian military recently captured two Chinese soldiers fighting for Russia. Kyiv subsequently released data on a total of 163 Chinese nationals identified by Ukrainian intelligence as fighting for Moscow. "We are collecting information, we believe that there are many more," President...

kyivindependent.com

 

[fly high]

Witkoff meets Putin as Trump urges Russia to 'get moving' on Ukraine ceasefire

Steve Witkoff held talks with the Russian president, meanwhile Moscow's ambassador to the UK told the BBC the US is not Russia's ally.

www.bbc.co.uk

Apparently Witless sucking up to Putin again.

edit:- Has Witless EVER been to Kyiv yet seems to have a season ticket to Moscow.

 

[Motogull]

Phillips O'Brien summary on the type of President that Trump REALLY is.

People still talk about Trump wanting a ceasefire in Ukraine because he wants “peace”. We hear arguments like he wants to end the senseless slaughter or that he wants the Nobel Peace Prize—almost certainly true as Obama has one and Trump is obsessed with things like that. I do think, however, that the saying Trump “wants” a ceasefire or “peace” is deceptive and needs to stop now. He wants a Putin victory—and sees a ceasefire or “peace” within that framework. If Putin wants to keep fighting, Trump seems more than happy to see the war continue. He is a war president, not a peace president, and this needs to be stated loudly and clearly.​

I think there was a new draft of the ever-more-extortionate minerals 'deal'... that's it I think.

Aye, he wants his deal done asap and cares nothing for the Ukranians or indeed Ukraine itself. There's money to be dug up.

 

[peterward]

Urals oil approaches $50 a barrel.

Combine that with the sanctions, pressure on Russia's shadow fleet, Ukrainian attacks on Russia's oil refineries and depots, don't get distracted by US peace talk sideshows, and Russia inches nearer to collapse.

Guys guys trust the process guys.

 

[Eric the meek]

Guys guys trust the process guys.

Good pre-match entertainment

 

[papachris]

An update on the captured oil tanker currently sitting in Muuga harbour near Tallinn. Some significant deficiencies including no insurance.

40 deficiencies found during detained Russian shadow fleet vessel inspection

The Estonian Transport Administration's inspection of the tanker Kiwala has revealed 40 deficiencies. As a result, the vessel has been banned from continuing its voyage until the issues have been rectified.

news.err.ee

 

[Eric the meek]

An update on the captured oil tanker currently sitting in Muuga harbour near Tallinn. Some significant deficiencies including no insurance.

40 deficiencies found during detained Russian shadow fleet vessel inspection

The Estonian Transport Administration's inspection of the tanker Kiwala has revealed 40 deficiencies. As a result, the vessel has been banned from continuing its voyage until the issues have been rectified.

news.err.ee

No insurance, no ride. I've seen the show 'Police Interceptors'.

 

[crookie]

Jeez, gift wrap Russia's war spoils. Any pretence of the USA being an honest peace broker shot to shit

Ukraine war latest: US envoy Witkoff proposes giving Russia 'ownership' of Ukrainian regions, Reuters reports

Key developments on April 11: * US envoy Witkoff proposes giving Russia 'ownership' of Ukrainian regions, Reuters reports * Trump urges Russia "to get moving" to end war against Ukraine * Putin meets U.S. envoy Witkoff to discuss Ukraine, Kremlin says * "Several hundred" Chinese nationals...

kyivindependent.com

 

[raymondo]

Jeez, gift wrap Russia's war spoils. Any pretence of the USA being an honest peace broker shot to shit

Ukraine war latest: US envoy Witkoff proposes giving Russia 'ownership' of Ukrainian regions, Reuters reports

Key developments on April 11: * US envoy Witkoff proposes giving Russia 'ownership' of Ukrainian regions, Reuters reports * Trump urges Russia "to get moving" to end war against Ukraine * Putin meets U.S. envoy Witkoff to discuss Ukraine, Kremlin says * "Several hundred" Chinese nationals...

kyivindependent.com

At least the article says there IS SOME pushback now from Republican donors requesting Witkoff be replaced by Rubio. Not sure how much better that would be as they all support Trump and he just wants a swift 'end'...gifting 4 regions may look like that to some complete c***s.

 

[papachris]

It's pointless Witkoff meeting Putin and just parroting what Putin wants. And has he even been to Kyiv to negotiate and get Ukraine's point of view.

 

[Algernon]

It's pointless Witkoff meeting Putin and just parroting what Putin wants. And has he even been to Kyiv to negotiate and get Ukraine's point of view.

This is U.S. negotiation. He's not interested in Ukraine's point of view.