[Albion] Bart Verbruggen to...Man Utd?

[GT49er]

Most of this season I don’t think Bart has done any better than Steele would have done.

Hypothetical I know but with Steele in goal for the q/f we MAY have got through….

Unpopular opinion I know, particularly among the most devoted RDZ devotees, but you could just have easily expressed your first sentence, "Most of this season I don’t think Bart has done any better than Sanchez would have done."

 

[Braggfan]

I think if Bart goes, we will do what we did when he arrived. We'll give a younger keeper a chance, probably Rushworth, but he'll be rotated with Steele, like we did under De Zerbi.
It was said back then that the rotation was designed to give a younger keeper game time in the prem, while not making him feel like he would be dropped if he made mistakes. The rotation eased him into the Premier league.

 

[GT49er]

I think if Bart goes, we will do what we did when he arrived. We'll give a younger keeper a chance, probably Rushworth, but he'll be rotated with Steele, like we did under De Zerbi.
It was said back then that the rotation was designed to give a younger keeper game time in the prem, while not making him feel like he would be dropped if he made mistakes. The rotation eased him into the Premier league.

Rushworth is older than Verbruggen, with several years of solid EFL experience behind him - he will be far more ready than Verbruggen was, and we don't need to go through that GK rotating rubbish that probably cost us a couple of places last season.

 

[Han Solo]

I think if Bart goes, we will do what we did when he arrived. We'll give a younger keeper a chance, probably Rushworth, but he'll be rotated with Steele, like we did under De Zerbi.
It was said back then that the rotation was designed to give a younger keeper game time in the prem, while not making him feel like he would be dropped if he made mistakes. The rotation eased him into the Premier league.

No, we have a competent manager now.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Take the money. There's no point developing goalkeepers like Rushworth and Beadle if we're never going to give them a chance. I've never been completely convinced by Verbruggen.

 

[Flounce]

Unpopular opinion I know, particularly among the most devoted RDZ devotees, but you could just have easily expressed your first sentence, "Most of this season I don’t think Bart has done any better than Sanchez would have done."

Steele has the edge for me, he’d probably saved a NF penalty

Bart didn’t and Sanchez is also no good at penalties, although I reckon his reach might have saved one of the Palace goals.

Every goal and penalty we’ve conceded in the last three games were apparently “no chance” though

I don’t believe that, as pretty well every keeper seems to make saves they shouldn’t against us

 

[Han Solo]

Steele has the edge for me, he’d probably saved a NF penalty

Bart didn’t and Sanchez is also no good at penalties, although I reckon his reach might have saved one of the Palace goals.

Saving 1-2 penalties per season might be memorable but it doesn't make someone a good starting goalkeeper.

Last season, Steele had the second worst save percentage of any PL keeper. In the Europa League he conceded 9 goals - and made 9 saves, making him the statistically worst keeper in the EL.

I really don't understand why De Zerbi saw him as a first team goalkeeper at this level and I really don't understand why many Brighton fans, despite watching the misery for a full season, still want to return to a 35-year-old goalkeeper who is statistically so far below our level that he should arguably be very happy to be our second choice.

 

[AmexRuislip]

No, we have a competent manager now.

Shirley if Verbruggen was going to Manure, we could have Onana in a straight swap deal.
Something to consider

 

[willalbion]

He was more confident with Veltman playing.

Weren't we all

 

[Han Solo]

Shirley if Verbruggen was going to Manure, we could have Onana in a straight swap deal.
Something to consider

I'd take it every day of the week.

Onana was a good footballer when playing for football clubs and he's been a great clown when playing around with the clown academy. Clearly good at what he does and could see him doing really well if or when moves to a football club again.

 

[AmexRuislip]

I'd take it every day of the week.

Onana was a good footballer when playing for football clubs and he's been a great clown when playing around with the clown academy. Clearly good at what he does and could see him doing really well if or when moves to a football club again.

You've now ruined my whoosh moment!

 

[Flounce]

Saving 1-2 penalties per season might be memorable but it doesn't make someone a good starting goalkeeper.

Last season, Steele had the second worst save percentage of any PL keeper. In the Europa League he conceded 9 goals - and made 9 saves, making him the statistically worst keeper in the EL.

I really don't understand why De Zerbi saw him as a first team goalkeeper at this level and I really don't understand why many Brighton fans, despite watching the misery for a full season, still want to return to a 35-year-old goalkeeper who is statistically so far below our level that he should arguably be very happy to be our second choice.

I am not arguing with your main points but seeing as every shot recently has been “unsaveable” I’d be happier with Steele and his much better footwork

Stats would suggest that he saves more penalties than Bart too.

Bart’s decision making has been shit recently imo, mostly in coming off his line and his distribution during the season has often been iffy. Steele is very good at that generally, again just imo.

Neither fill me with confidence as shot savers, Sanchez was much better than both but if he made a mistake he became a liabilty for the rest of the match. Bart does seem to have a stronger mentality, the Chelsea game where he conceded badly in the first minute being a case in point.

As an aside, I wish you’d stop coming across as thinking you have the definitive and correct knowledge on all things you comment on.

 

[GT49er]

Steele has the edge for me, he’d probably saved a NF penalty

Bart didn’t and Sanchez is also no good at penalties, although I reckon his reach might have saved one of the Palace goals.

Every goal and penalty we’ve conceded in the last three games were apparently “no chance” though

I don’t believe that, as pretty well every keeper seems to make saves they shouldn’t against us

But that's all he saved. GKs who save goals win points for their team; some de Zerbi disciples may still hang on to the belief that passing around like Pirlo is more important for a GK than actual shot-stopping - but not for me.
Your last sentence is valid - I'd much rather have one like that between the sticks for us too!

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

Verbruggen's form has nosedive off a cliff, to the point that his numbers look like Steele's before he eventually ousted him last season, absolutely rubbish.

He's a long term project but we have enough other long term projects in that position right now. Might ad well squeeze whatever fee we can get while he's hanging on to the tag of Dutch number 1. At this rate he'll lose that.

It's a real shame as he won us a few points in Autumn.

He's an upgrade on Onana but not many other Prem goalies.

 

[Brian Munich]

Verbruggen's form has nosedive off a cliff, to the point that his numbers look like Steele's before he eventually ousted him last season, absolutely rubbish.

He's a long term project but we have enough other long term projects in that position right now. Might ad well squeeze whatever fee we can get while he's hanging on to the tag of Dutch number 1. At this rate he'll lose that.

It's a real shame as he won us a few points in Autumn.

He's an upgrade on Onana but not many other Prem goalies.

This. Verbruggen has been in terrible form recently, but we've seen him make the sort of save that you'd be unlikely to have seen from Steele, so at least we know he has it in him.

 

[Withdean South Stand]

There is a real lack of quality goalkeepers in the game at the moment. Every top club has struggled to fill the position. Verbruggen is obviously better than Steele and he's also obviously better than Ramsdale (3rd time relegated), Hermansen, Muric/Walton/Palmer, Jose Sa, Vicario, Onana, Areola, Flekken and Pickford. Whether he's better than others is debatable but I'd easily have him above that mob without too much doubt. It's more debatable if he's better than Sels (having the season of his life, but not an amazing keeper), Henderson, Kepa, Leno, Pope, Sanchez/Jorgensen. Only Alisson, Ederson and Raya are undoubtedly better in my opinion.

 

[Home and Away]

 

[GT49er]

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In contrast -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c3wxx1e6616o

- although the fact that the list includes neither Edison or Alisson does call the credence of these ratings into question. However, it does make all those jeering at "Brighton's 3rd. choice goalkeeper" (especially those Chelsea sheep who took it up in ignorance, fuelling their indignation that Brighton had fobbed them off with another dud) look a bit silly.

 

[P.C. Beard]

There is a real lack of quality goalkeepers in the game at the moment. Every top club has struggled to fill the position. Verbruggen is obviously better than Steele and he's also obviously better than Ramsdale (3rd time relegated), Hermansen, Muric/Walton/Palmer, Jose Sa, Vicario, Onana, Areola, Flekken and Pickford. Whether he's better than others is debatable but I'd easily have him above that mob without too much doubt. It's more debatable if he's better than Sels (having the season of his life, but not an amazing keeper), Henderson, Kepa, Leno, Pope, Sanchez/Jorgensen. Only Alisson, Ederson and Raya are undoubtedly better in my opinion.

Better than Pickford?!? No chance.

I wouldn't say he is obviously better than most of those keepers.

 

[Braggfan]

No, we have a competent manager now.

The only thing more boring than the De Zerbi hating, is your YouTube channel