[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Eric the meek]

Oh dear.

 

[Eric the meek]

OK, hence the fibre cable factory hit.

If it's any consolation I completely missed this attack. (I was just about to ask you for a link, but stopped myself just in time)

 

[Sirnormangall]

I think they'll say 'mercenaries', nothing to do with Chinese government or military.

You’re probably right. A lot of Chinese used to work over the border in Siberia, possibly still do. So that could have been where they were recruited. I think Russia has also recruited mercenaries from India and Bangladesh - though the poor sods didn’t know what they’d signed up for or where they were going.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

This war continues to throw up surprises*.

I wonder what the official Chinese response will be? My understanding is that Chinese involvement has always been at arm's length, low key and under the radar.
I would expect them to be mortified that Chinese nationals have been captured.

* But having thought about it, and seeing China's response to Trump on the tariff front, perhaps it isn't all that surprising?

I assume they were under Russian command?

 

[Eric the meek]

'Ukraine triples its weapon production in a year' - The Economist.

'This year Ukraine expects to produce 5 million FPV drones'. (Last time I checked, that figure was 4 million).

Watch Prof. Gerdes from 1:15.





'

 

[raymondo]

As per Denys Davydov, there are known to be 'many' Chinese military personnel aiding the Russians, on the ground, but not on the front lines...until the group of six were encountered, the two survived.

 

[raymondo]

Here's an update on Chinese citizens serving in the Russian army, 163 apparently.

Over 160 Chinese nationals fight for Russia in Ukraine, obtained documents show

The documents, obtained by the Kyiv Independent, list the names, personal data, brigades, and ranks of Chinese nationals fighting for Russia.

kyivindependent.com

 

[raymondo]

'Ukraine triples its weapon production in a year' - The Economist.

'This year Ukraine expects to produce 5 million FPV drones'. (Last time I checked, that figure was 4 million).

Watch Prof. Gerdes from 1:15.





'

A good update thanks , quite funny in parts.
I noticed the US Defense Department is discussing withdrawing 10,000 troops from Eastern Europe - that would be another green light to Putin.

 

[Eric the meek]

Is this China denying it, without actually explicitly denying it, in case it is subsequently found to be true?

Yesterday, amongst all the tariff noise, I read something that suggested they were looking into the validity of Ukraine's claims. Either they genuinely don't know about their own citizens fighting for Russia, or they were preparing the ground for today's formal denial/ not denial.

 

[SeagullinExile]

Is this China denying it, without actually explicitly denying it, in case it is subsequently found to be true?

Yesterday, amongst all the tariff noise, I read something that suggested they were looking into the validity of Ukraine's claims. Either they genuinely don't know about their own citizens fighting for Russia, or they were preparing the ground for today's formal denial/ not denial.

I read somewhere yesterday that one of the prisoners said HE paid Russia to fight for them! Gaining Russian citizenship in return

 

[Eric the meek]

I read somewhere yesterday that one of the prisoners said HE paid Russia to fight for them! Gaining Russian citizenship in return

Good grief.

Either things must be truly awful in some parts of China, and/or the true awfulness of things in Russia has not filtered out to all of China.

P.S. 'I read somewhere'. Congratulations, you've passed the test. You're one of us now.

 

[raymondo]

Interesting idea...just buzz Moscow with drones and see what happens

 

[raymondo]

I read somewhere yesterday that one of the prisoners said HE paid Russia to fight for them! Gaining Russian citizenship in return

Yes I read that...or maybe I posted it! A Russian citizenship...passport to a better life

 

[peterward]

Idiots guide in how not to invade.

If at first you don't succeed try and fail again.

Frontline report: Ukrainian forces repel three-wave Russian mechanized assault near Kurakhove - Euromaidan Press

Russian commanders deployed three separate waves of armor over a four-hour period on 7th April, losing approximately 17 vehicles and 40 personnel while failing to advance beyond the first Ukrainian minefield.

euromaidanpress.com

 

[dazzer6666]

Idiots guide in how not to invade.

If at first you don't succeed try and fail again.

Frontline report: Ukrainian forces repel three-wave Russian mechanized assault near Kurakhove - Euromaidan Press

Russian commanders deployed three separate waves of armor over a four-hour period on 7th April, losing approximately 17 vehicles and 40 personnel while failing to advance beyond the first Ukrainian minefield.

euromaidanpress.com

This reads like an episode of Blackadder Goes Forth .................

 

[Triggaaar]

This reads like an episode of Blackadder Goes Forth .................

'So we're going to do what we've tried 17 times already?'
'Precisely! It's the last thing they'd expect us to do.'

 

[raymondo]

Idiots guide in how not to invade.

If at first you don't succeed try and fail again.

Frontline report: Ukrainian forces repel three-wave Russian mechanized assault near Kurakhove - Euromaidan Press

Russian commanders deployed three separate waves of armor over a four-hour period on 7th April, losing approximately 17 vehicles and 40 personnel while failing to advance beyond the first Ukrainian minefield.

euromaidanpress.com

Interesting report.
The Russian commanders have their orders to gain territory and will sacrifice unlimited personnel and vehicles in the attempts.
Russians wait until sunrise (6.30) to start their attacks .
Ukrainian surveillance drone operators are clearly critical to preparing Ukrainian defences.

 

[raymondo]

Just the first minute is really interesting: it seems that the F16s supplied by Ukraine's allies are allowing Ukraine's older MIG jets to be deployed close to or even at the front lines. Hits on Russian positions (weapons stores etc) have been recorded in Bryansk, Donetsk and others.

 

[Doug-ees-evil]

Not sure if this has been posted before.. (courtesy of Mick Ryan, AM @WarintheFuture X post).
Piece written by Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, Ukraine's Ambassador to the UK:

How drones, data, and AI transformed our military—and why the US must follow suit

A former Ukrainian commander-in-chief describes Ukraine’s DELTA battlefield-management system and other adaptations.

www.defenseone.com

Extraordinary account of the transformational abilities of Ukraine's low-cost drone and electronic warfare capabilities.
And their DELTA battlefield management system is tearing up the rulebooks (Google for the military).
This bleak and terrible war has changed all wars forever.

 

[fly high]

Not sure if this has been posted before.. (courtesy of Mick Ryan, AM @WarintheFuture X post).
Piece written by Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, Ukraine's Ambassador to the UK:

How drones, data, and AI transformed our military—and why the US must follow suit

A former Ukrainian commander-in-chief describes Ukraine’s DELTA battlefield-management system and other adaptations.

www.defenseone.com

Extraordinary account of the transformational abilities of Ukraine's low-cost drone and electronic warfare capabilities.
And their DELTA battelfield management system is tearing up the rulebooks (Google for the military).
This bleak and terrible war has changed all wars forever.

Don't give it to the f***ing Yanks, who knows where it would go & they will want to make money out of it but free world definitely should buy it.