[Albion] The first goal

[SkirlieWirlie]

We are the soft team to counter attacks, never leaving enough insurance around the centre line.

I watched this for as long as I can remember. Some other successful coaches always leave a fast FB snd a proper DM back to cover. In addition, their players 75 yards out, have one eye on switching to tracking back in a micro second. All very organised.

Thing is, I think we have been setup correctly recently, since Forest away I think, change of personnel/tactics seemed the issue last night.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

There's absolutely no way that goal is in any way on Bart. None.

He has issues with his keeping for sure, but that goal came from rank bad defending. There's no way it should have come to a one on one with Verbruggen in the first place.

Agree.

If Bart comes out of his area he runs the risk of a red card….

The third though. The angle is in Bart’s favour, I would expect him to do better.

 

[South Stand Bonfire]

The goal is largely Bart’s fault. That wasn’t a difficult decision to make to come out and clear the ball, he would have got there way before Rashford.

And Bayern supposedly looking at him to replace Neuer, the ultimate “sweeper keeper”.

Bart will get another pass, because he’s “young”. So many errors leading to goals this season now.

The ball was passed to Rashford when he was well inside the Villa half, who then ran with it towards our area with the ball at his feet, and it’s Bart’s fault for not coming out to the half way line to clear it? Or have I been whooshed?!

 

[tstanbur]

The ball was passed to Rashford when he was well inside the Villa half, who then ran with it towards our area with the ball at his feet, and it’s Bart’s fault for not coming out to the half way line to clear it? Or have I been whooshed?!

you haven't been whooshed, you've just got memory issues

 

[Weststander]

Thing is, I think we have been setup correctly recently, since Forest away I think, change of personnel/tactics seemed the issue last night.

We need our best 11 or thereabouts with the pace of Webster and Baleba to make it work defensively.

 

[Bozza]

The ball was passed to Rashford when he was well inside the Villa half, who then ran with it towards our area with the ball at his feet, and it’s Bart’s fault for not coming out to the half way line to clear it? Or have I been whooshed?!

Rashford's very first touch of the ball was here:

I didn't start this thread to blame Verbruggen, although I think he could have saved the day if he'd chosen to advance rather than retreat.

It was mainly about Diego Gomez (who I think is a fine player, and will turn out to be a bargain for us) seemingly not quite knowing where he was, illustrated by him losing Rashford - he had one job - and appealing for offside even though Rashford was well within his own half when the ball was played for him to chase.

 

[Weststander]

Rashford's very first touch of the ball was here:

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I didn't start this thread to blame Verbruggen, although I think he could have saved the day if he'd chosen to advance rather than retreat.

It was mainly about Diego Gomez (who I think is a fine player, and will turn out to be a bargain for us) seemingly not quite knowing where he was, illustrated by him losing Rashford - he had one job - and appealing for offside even though Rashford was well within his own half when the ball was played for him to chase.

All those empty seats .

 

[tstanbur]

I didn’t miss them, nor did I need to see them as I watched it live.

As you always see everything perfectly with your own eyes in real time - have you thought about becoming a ref?

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Rashford's very first touch of the ball was here:

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I didn't start this thread to blame Verbruggen, although I think he could have saved the day if he'd chosen to advance rather than retreat.

It was mainly about Diego Gomez (who I think is a fine player, and will turn out to be a bargain for us) seemingly not quite knowing where he was, illustrated by him losing Rashford - he had one job - and appealing for offside even though Rashford was well within his own half when the ball was played for him to chase.

But then he’s got only his feet effectively, as he’s outside his area.
It’s split second stuff if Rashford nips in front him and gets clipped, it’s a red card, if Bart handles it it’s red. Think it’s a little harsh to apply any blame to Bart, this is rank bad defending, (and Gomez) as you highlight not doing his job.

On another note how many of OUR players did Dunk outrun to get back?
Given it was from a corner, post JPvH header, I think Dunk has done well….
Where are the others who were on the edge of the box?

All immaterial I know….

 

[Bodian]

I also think that JPvH made nothing like the effort (or danger recognition) immediately after the corner proved to be another useless effort - compared to the moment Dunk saw danger and made his sprint back - considering the risks of having your tall defenders forward for a corner. Probably why he was ready to spread the blame.

And if JPVH had taken his header from the corner better, and scored (or something) there wouldn't have been a quick breakaway....

 

[wapuy]

And if JPVH had taken his header from the corner better, and scored (or something) there wouldn't have been a quick breakaway....

Well, if JPvH had scored, we would now be discussing him as the hero of the match, not the culprit of the episode

 

[HP Seagull]

If Verbruggen had been in the correct starting position that goal would never have been scored. The ball travelled to virtually the edge of the D - there’s no way Rashford should have beaten him to it.

We gifted them the goal when we’d been the better side until then. Poor from our defenders and goalkeeper in my view.

 

[P.C. Beard]

I didn’t miss them, nor did I need to see them as I watched it live.

Not that I’m sure what you think you’re proving with the red dot.

The fact is that the goal was an outfield player issue, particularly Gomez, who got his positioning all wrong, but also an FH issue for allowing us to be 1v1 at the back on the counter.

Think you might need to brush up on your physics if you can't understand the point being made

 

[Doug-ees-evil]

Well this thread is enlightening in that so many have such a negative view of Bart. Find that quite surprising really.

Ifs, buts and maybes as to whether he could have made it before Rashford... split second stuff.
Watched it so many times now and I think it looks pretty evens on;
a) BV getting the ball first,
b) taking Rashford out
c) Rashford nipping it around him (which would lead to a tap-in or penno more than likely anyway).
I certainly did not leave the game last night feeling it was lost due to Bart on the first goal.

We played more than well enough before that to suggest we could draw level and maybe even go in front.
The second goal (Cashin completely misjudging Cash's ball, Rogers run and the bounce) really finished us.. was a far worse and more obvious defensive error IMHO from the WSL lower position.

I'm not too downbeat though.. Villa are strong and operating on a different financial level to us (and will probably always will be).. hence why they can sub on Asensio, Watkins and Malen late on.

 

[South Stand Bonfire]

Rashford's very first touch of the ball was here:

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I didn't start this thread to blame Verbruggen, although I think he could have saved the day if he'd chosen to advance rather than retreat.

It was mainly about Diego Gomez (who I think is a fine player, and will turn out to be a bargain for us) seemingly not quite knowing where he was, illustrated by him losing Rashford - he had one job - and appealing for offside even though Rashford was well within his own half when the ball was played for him to chase.

Blimey, and I’ve been telling people all day that he dribbled the ball from the half way line. The Heineken in The Terrace must be stronger than I thought.!

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Think you might need to brush up on your physics if you can't understand the point being made

The point that he wasn’t going to get there so he backed off?

Have you rewatched it rather than looked at some stills? Or better yet, were you watching it live?

Anyone with any ounce of football knowledge isn’t blaming Bart for their first goal last night, and no amount of stupid red dots drawn on some stills is going to prove otherwise when the live evidence is freely available.

 

[P.C. Beard]

The point that he wasn’t going to get there so he backed off?

Have you rewatched it rather than looked at some stills? Or better yet, were you watching it live?

Anyone with any ounce of football knowledge isn’t blaming Bart for their first goal last night, and no amount of stupid red dots drawn on some stills is going to prove otherwise when the live evidence is freely available.

No, that wasn't the point being made. Read it again. Or do you only read things once like you only watch things live?

I was watching it live, I've re-watched it, and I've looked at some stills.

No one is blaming him entirely, it was a collection of errors, but he is certainly not devoid of blame.

 

[HeaviestTed]

Extremely poor defending for this level. You'd be embarrassed getting caught out like that playing down the park. We do have a habit of just switching off defensively, and it happens too often.

What park?

 

[West Upper Seagull]

I think the defending was a collective shit show. Why the hell was Gomez the wrong side of Rashford in the first place ? and we shouldn’t be leaving ourselves 1 on 1 at the back like this so who else was supposed to be defending bearing in mind Dunk had gone up for the corner ? Then Bart’s indecisiveness and decision to retreat leaving himself in no man’s land when he probably could have cleared that before Rashford got to it. Bloody awful.

Also I hope Bart learns from the merits of playing an early ball out in future because all he likes to do is stand on the ball and let the opposition get back and wait to invite the press which is infuriating at the best of times and destroys Any chance of a quick counter attack.