[Albion] The first goal

[amexer]

I dont know if keeper could have got there but fact is at our corner Gomez was left on half way line for sole reason to get on rightside of any attacker looking for quick breakaway. Failed to do this

Lampty always does this role when he plays and can recall him stopping many breakaways.

 

[Milano]

Where abouts do you sit? From the north end of WSL it wasn't an obvious call (to me anyway). I imagine it#d be easier to make a split-second from a side on view, particular from an upper tier.

Back of ESL, about in line with the centre circle line north, end. So a pretty good view to gauge this one.

 

[trueblue]

I know he couldn't have played him onside.

He doesn't run straight, he starts to then gets close and veers to the left towards Gomez.

But he’s not catching him in a million years so it really makes no difference to anything.

 

[P.C. Beard]

Terrible from Verbruggen, again.

 

[albionalba]

I also think that JPvH made nothing like the effort (or danger recognition) immediately after the corner proved to be another useless effort - compared to the moment Dunk saw danger and made his sprint back - considering the risks of having your tall defenders forward for a corner. Probably why he was ready to spread the blame.

 

[tstanbur]

I’d suggest you watch it, as I have, with the pictures moving. Repeatedly and from the same angle. More informative than a still image. We’ll have to agree to disagree. Looking head on, he won’t be able to judge it while the ball is in the air and, at real speed, if he can really get there first we ought to rename him Usain Bart.

I have and I haven’t changed my mind.

His starting position was very close to where Rashford first touched the ball. Much closer than where Rashford was.

No need for super speed to get there first. Just better decision making.

 

[Han Solo]

I’d suggest you watch it, as I have, with the pictures moving. Repeatedly and from the same angle. More informative than a still image. We’ll have to agree to disagree. Looking head on, he won’t be able to judge it while the ball is in the air and, at real speed, if he can really get there first we ought to rename him Usain Bart.

I have and I haven’t changed my mind.

His starting position was very close to where Rashford first touched the ball. Much closer than where Rashford was.

No need for super speed to get there first. Just better decision making.

Effectively this particular part of the discussion isn't super interesting, no? What is interesting is that he generally never comes out of his box to intercept long passes. Sometimes it would work out and sometimes not, and regardless of if this would have worked yesterday or not, the more interesting topic is perhaps if we want a more risk taking proactive keeper or not?

 

[tstanbur]

Effectively this particular part of the discussion isn't super interesting, no? What is interesting is that he generally never comes out of his box to intercept long passes. Sometimes it would work out and sometimes not, and regardless of if this would have worked yesterday or not, the more interesting topic is perhaps if we want a more risk taking proactive keeper or not?

surely risk taking and better decision making are very closely related?

 

[trueblue]

I have and I haven’t changed my mind.

His starting position was very close to where Rashford first touched the ball. Much closer than where Rashford was.

No need for super speed to get there first. Just better decision making.

And goggles that give him a wide angled view from the upper tier rather than a foreshortened view from the penalty area

 

[Han Solo]

surely risk taking and better decision making are very closely related?

Think its more of a style preference. Bart likes to stay a meter or two outside the box, others go closer to the midline.

Taking risks and good decision making is a nice combo but they don't necessarily always go with each other.

 

[trueblue]

Effectively this particular part of the discussion isn't super interesting, no? What is interesting is that he generally never comes out of his box to intercept long passes. Sometimes it would work out and sometimes not, and regardless of if this would have worked yesterday or not, the more interesting topic is perhaps if we want a more risk taking proactive keeper or not?

You’re right. That is a more interesting argument. I’m happy enough to have a guy who’s already racked up 20 international caps for a big footballing nation at the age of just 22. Seems a lot of people will be happy when he moves on to bigger and better things. Each to their own.

 

[Han Solo]

You’re right. That is a more interesting argument. I’m happy enough to have a guy who’s already racked up 20 international caps for a big footballing nation at the age of just 22. Seems a lot of people will be happy when he moves on to bigger and better things. Each to their own.

Personally I will neither be happy nor unhappy.

Switching goalies is sensitive and he's a good, promising goalie. I'm not a fan of his style however and compared to other PL goalkeepers he is generally average. Not easily replaced, but imo its possible to improve that role while also making a bit of money. If its a sale we need to do to "postpone" other sales, I'm for it.

 

[Weststander]

Personally I will neither be happy nor unhappy.

Switching goalies is sensitive and he's a good, promising goalie. I'm not a fan of his style however and compared to other PL goalkeepers he is generally average. Not easily replaced, but imo its possible to improve that role while also making a bit of money. If its a sale we need to do to "postpone" other sales, I'm for it.

Do you get the chance to assess alternatives or others eg in the PL? Imho Kelleher is consistently excellent at everything, including penalties. Just one notable error.

Some club in the PL or continent is going to get lucky this summer.

 

[Han Solo]

Do you get the chance to assess alternatives or others eg in the PL? Imho Kelleher is consistently excellent at everything, including penalties. Just one notable error.

Some club in the PL or continent is going to get lucky this summer.

Agree with you, I think Kelleher is really good and would absolutely see him as an upgrade. He's not the super dominant brave keeper I kind of like but he is well-rounded and very good.

 

[matt]

As we approach the end of the campaign, I would not be overly disappointed if Bart was elsewhere next year. I was pretty excited after the Euros, feeling that we had one of the best young keepers in Europe. Maybe he still will be. He's been "fine" this season, not loads of clangers, but very few outstanding games. The stats don't paint a particularly positive picture either, with his save % down almost 10% on last season (70% to 60%), that's still better than Steele's last season though.
And I do appreciate that we expect more than just shot-stopping from our keepers, but at what cost?

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Bart's indecisiveness also meant there was no chance of saving it or forcing him.wide.

I don’t think he was indecisive. He was never going to get there ahead of Rashford in a foot race, and if he takes him out outside the area it’s a red card.

The best bet is to retreat, try to hold up Rashford and try to make the save.

He’s far from a perfect keeper, but it’s incredibly harsh to blame him for the first goal.

 

[tstanbur]

Think its more of a style preference. Bart likes to stay a meter or two outside the box, others go closer to the midline.

Taking risks and good decision making is a nice combo but they don't necessarily always go with each other.

They should go with each other if you want a keeper upgrade.

If they don't you end up with Sanchez.

 

[tstanbur]

I don’t think he was indecisive. He was never going to get there ahead of Rashford in a foot race, and if he takes him out outside the area it’s a red card.

The best bet is to retreat, try to hold up Rashford and try to make the save.

He’s far from a perfect keeper, but it’s incredibly harsh to blame him for the first goal.

I think you must have missed the screen grabs earlier in the thread.

Here they are, I've marked in red approx where Bart would have had to get to from his starting position.

No race required.

 

[trueblue]

By the time the ball got to that red dot, Rashford was there as well. In the first picture, it is still coming on a slight diagonal across the pitch and the bounce doesn’t take it very far. Maybe better to just accept that, from the moment we allowed Rashford to run free from his own half, it was a very well-executed counterattacking goal.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

I think you must have missed the screen grabs earlier in the thread.

Here they are, I've marked in red approx where Bart would have had to get to from his starting position.

No race required.

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I didn’t miss them, nor did I need to see them as I watched it live.

Not that I’m sure what you think you’re proving with the red dot.

The fact is that the goal was an outfield player issue, particularly Gomez, who got his positioning all wrong, but also an FH issue for allowing us to be 1v1 at the back on the counter.