[Football] Man City WILL BE RELEGATED from Premier League, says Football Finance Expert

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[Redinpeace]

Sorry in advance mods, this isn’t specific to City but PSR related,

Everton report losses of 53m for last season that’s the 7th season running they’ve reported a deficit, at this point I don’t think they’re in danger of breaching rules as I’d imagine they’ll cite the price of ingredients for a pan of scouse as mitigation and be awarded a place in next season’s champions league as way of compensation. .

 

[Eeyore]

Sorry in advance mods, this isn’t specific to City but PSR related,

Everton report losses of 53m for last season that’s the 7th season running they’ve reported a deficit, at this point I don’t think they’re in danger of breaching rules as I’d imagine they’ll cite the price of ingredients for a pan of scouse as mitigation and be awarded a place in next season’s champions league as way of compensation. .

They were already penalised for the rolling seasons up until 2022-23. And the loss doesn't take into account offsets from allowed losses. In short, they are fine at present.

 

[Clive Walker]

Thought an outcome was expected by now?

 

[Brian Fantana]

Thought an outcome was expected by now?

I'd imagine they'll leave the decision just long enough for the bottom 3 to be finalised (so they know how many points to deduct City to ensure they finish 17th) and for them to win the FA Cup, so they don't totally miss out on Europe next season.

 

[saafend_seagull]

A quite likely scenario is Man City win the cup, and league pans out to be

Liverpool
Arsenal
City
Forest
Newcastle
Chelsea
Villa
8.Brighton
9.bournemouth

City point deduction means only top7 get Europe.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

A quite likely scenario is Man City win the cup, and league pans out to be

Liverpool
Arsenal
City
Forest
Newcastle
Chelsea
Villa
8.Brighton
9.bournemouth

City point deduction means only top7 get Europe.

So we’d get the Conference League spot either way then. Sorted.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

A quite likely scenario is Man City win the cup, and league pans out to be

Liverpool
Arsenal
City
Forest
Newcastle
Chelsea
Villa
8.Brighton
9.bournemouth

City point deduction means only top7 get Europe.

As I understand European qualification and your suggested final table, I think we'd be ok.

Top 5 qualify for Champions League.

6th place Europa League.

Fa cup winners europa League.

League cup winners conference League.

If either cup winner qualifies for a higher level tournament they play in that one and their spot in the el/ecl goes to the next highest available team in the league.

So your table would put Newcastle in the champions league and leave their conference League spot up for grabs.


Likewise for man city. If they win the cup but finish anywhere from 1-7th they'll either be in the Champs League or europa League. Newcastle conference spot would still be up for grabs. Meaning 8th would get it which would be us in your table.

Also, if city were deducted enough points for them to finish 8th or lower that would push us up into 7th and we'd still get the conference spot.

I believe if Chelsea win the conference league and the season pans out the way you predict then that would actually mean  ninth would qualify for Europe.

I am basing my workings on 5 Champs league places, 2 Europa league and one conference. If those numbers are wrong then so's the rest of my post so ignore it!

 

[saafend_seagull]

As I understand European qualification and your suggested final table, I think we'd be ok.

Top 5 qualify for Champions League.

6th place Europa League.

Fa cup winners europa League.

League cup winners conference League.

If either cup winner qualifies for a higher level tournament they play in that one and their spot in the el/ecl goes to the next highest available team in the league.

So your table would put Newcastle in the champions league and leave their conference League spot up for grabs.


Likewise for man city. If they win the cup but finish anywhere from 1-7th they'll either be in the Champs League or europa League. Newcastle conference spot would still be up for grabs. Meaning 8th would get it which would be us in your table.

Also, if city were deducted enough points for them to finish 8th or lower that would push us up into 7th and we'd still get the conference spot.

I believe if Chelsea win the conference league and the season pans out the way you predict then that would actually mean  ninth would qualify for Europe.

I am basing my workings on 5 Champs league places, 2 Europa league and one conference. If those numbers are wrong then so's the rest of my post so ignore it!

You are wrong. City win cup and finish outside top 7 due to point deduction, only top 7 get Europe (assuming Newcastle also finish top 7).

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

You are wrong. City win cup and finish outside top 7 due to point deduction, only top 7 get Europe (assuming Newcastle also finish top 7).

If the league and cup finish as you had them in your earlier post we would qualify for the Conference League no matter what happens with City. If they got a points deduction we would move up to 7th place still qualifying for the Conference League.

The only thing @Garry Nelson's Left Foot is wrong about is 9th getting a European place if Chelsea win the Conference League as places awarded to any of the three european cup winners are not passed down the league if they qualify for Europe through their league placing.

The only exception is the extra place given to the 2 countries who top the co-efficient table. Those places are protected and cannot go to a team that has already qualified in another way. So if Villa were to win the Champions League and finish 5th, the extra place in the Champions League would go to 6th and the other competition places would filter down the table from 7th onwards.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

You are wrong. City win cup and finish outside top 7 due to point deduction, only top 7 get Europe (assuming Newcastle also finish top 7).

But in your table if City finish outside the top seven that would push us up into it, therefore qualifying for Europe, no?

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

If the league and cup finish as you had them in your earlier post we would qualify for the Conference League no matter what happens with City. If they got a points deduction we would move up to 7th place still qualifying for the Conference League.

The only thing @Garry Nelson's Left Foot is wrong about is 9th getting a European place if Chelsea win the Conference League as places awarded to any of the three european cup winners are not passed down the league if they qualify for Europe through their league placing.

The only exception is the extra place given to the 2 countries who top the co-efficient table. Those places are protected and cannot go to a team that has already qualified in another way. So if Villa were to win the Champions League and finish 5th, the extra place in the Champions League would go to 6th and the other competition places would filter down the table from 7th onwards.

In terms of Chelsea if they finished 6th and won the conference league would they qualify for the Europa league through the premier league or their conference league win? If they qualify through the conference win would that not mean the premier league qualifying spot would be pushed down a place?

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

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In terms of Chelsea if they finished 6th and won the conference league would they qualify for the Europa league through the premier league or their conference league win? If they qualify through the conference win would that not mean the premier league qualifying spot would be pushed down a place?

They would qualify through their league placing. The place given to winners of the competition only applies if they don’t qualify for the same or higher competition based on league place.

For example in 22-23 season Man City won the Premier League and Champions League, we still only had 4 teams qualify for the Champions League because City had qualified via winning the league. In cases like this the winners spot is absorbed back into the competition and changes are made to the qualifying rounds.

Conversely in the same season when West Ham won the Conference League we had three teams in the Europa League the following season. Liverpool and us who qualified through league placing and West Ham who took the Conference League winnners spot as their league placing (14th) wasn’t good enough to have already qualified for Europe.

The only exception I can think of is if Chelsea finished in the 7th or 8th (depending how how many European places we had) this qualifying for the Conference League and also won the Conference League. They’d be bumped up into the Europa League but I’m not sure what happens to their Conference League spot.

The one season something like this happened In the Spanish League (Villarreal finished 7th and won the Europa League to qualify for the Champions League) they had to give up their Conference League spot but this was before the recent changes to the European competitions.

 

[Simster]

They would qualify through their league placing. The place given to winners of the competition only applies if they don’t qualify for the same or higher competition based on league place.

I believe this is correct, and was a hastily written rule after Liverpool won the Champions League against Milan in 2005 having finished outside the top 4 (or 3?). Without it, UEFA were left with an absurd situation where the holders weren't going to be able to defend their title.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

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They would qualify through their league placing. The place given to winners of the competition only applies if they don’t qualify for the same or higher competition based on league place.

For example in 22-23 season Man City won the Premier League and Champions League, we still only had 4 teams qualify for the Champions League because City had qualified via winning the league. In cases like this the winners spot is absorbed back into the competition and changes are made to the qualifying rounds.

Conversely in the same season when West Ham won the Conference League we had three teams in the Europa League the following season. Liverpool and us who qualified through league placing and West Ham who took the Conference League winnners spot as their league placing (14th) wasn’t good enough to have already qualified for Europe.

The only exception I can think of is if Chelsea finished in the 7th or 8th (depending how how many European places we had) this qualifying for the Conference League and also won the Conference League. They’d be bumped up into the Europa League but I’m not sure what happens to their Conference League spot.

The one season something like this happened In the Spanish League (Villarreal finished 7th and won the Europa League to qualify for the Champions League) they had to give up their Conference League spot but this was before the recent changes to the European competitions.

So I can stop hoping Chelsea win the conference league then? That's good to know!

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

I believe this is correct, and was a hastily written rule after Liverpool won the Champions League against Milan in 2005 having finished outside the top 4 (or 3?). Without it, UEFA were left with an absurd situation where the holders weren't going to be able to defend their title.

Yep, originally UEFA told the PL that they had to pick between Liverpool or Everton who had finished 4th. They then changed their mind and granted Liverpool a place in the Champions League but they had to enter at the first qualifying round.