[Brighton] Was it a penalty?

[BrightonCottager]

It was as much a pen as the one you got against Fulham - unintentional contact with an opposing player in the box, causing said player to fall over.
(Puts tin hat on and ducks for cover).

 

[Randy McNob]

It wasn't overturned by VAR though - not exactly. The ref had the ability to have a second look from an angle he would not have been able to see when awarding the penalty - and changed his mind.

Oh come off it, once the refs goes to the monitor he'll go with whatever VAR says. Always

 

[Machiavelli]

These are a different discussion

Sorted

 

[Blues Guitarist]

My real time thinking (watched on tv) was a penalty, Mitoma flew in and caught him. Then I saw the first reply and it was clear he’d missed both player and ball so it wasn’t a pen. But then an other angle showed Mitoma hooking his foot with his arm. I could not see any evidence it was initiated by the Forest guy so it’s a pen.

I can’t view the replay @Bozza posted as it’s geoblocked….ill look later on my iPad

Forrest player stood on Mitoma's arm. A few minutes earlier a Brighton player was booked for (only just) standing on a Forrest players toe. If anything, it should have been a free kick to Brighton and a yellow card for Forrest

 

[Seagull58]

After watching the clip, I changed my wording in my post just above. Hooking sounded too active on Mitoma‘s part so I changed it to the more passive sounding “catches him”

But Mitoma didn't catch him. He caught Mitoma by standing on his arm.

 

[Seagull58]

It was as much a pen as the one you got against Fulham - unintentional contact with an opposing player in the box, causing said player to fall over.
(Puts tin hat on and ducks for cover).

Mitoma didn't make contact with him though. Mitoma was sliding past him (at speed) when he stepped forward onto Mitoma's arm. If his foot had been grounded and Mitoma had caught his leg with his arm it would have been a penalty.

 

[Bodian]

This is a different discussion

Same set of events though?

He stood on Mitoma's arm and Mitoma's arm was moving, so he lost his balance and fell over.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Not a penalty. What law says it should have been a penalty? The law "there was contact and he was entitled to go down" isn't yet in the rule book, nor is the law "two players touched so it must have been a foul".

He wasn't tripped, he dived. His left foot could have landed easily and he could have tried to stay on his feet, probably successfully; I know there is a school of thought (which the PL shares) that a player who times his fall perfectly with getting a touch on his shoe has shown skill and deserves a reward for it, but it's the sort of thing that's ruining the game. If they're going to give penalties for that degree of contact, they need to give penalties every time there is that degree of contact - not just when the forward dives.

 

[aolstudios]

The player hanged his foot there to be caught, no penalty in my view

This.
Absolutely blatant.
The commentators called it

 

[Eeyore]

Forrest player stood on Mitoma's arm. A few minutes earlier a Brighton player was booked for (only just) standing on a Forrest players toe. If anything, it should have been a free kick to Brighton and a yellow card for Forrest

Nottingham Forest had a player called Forrest ? I didn't see that in their line up. Along with Chris Wood, that's pretty cool.

 

[pigmanovich]

It was as much a pen as the one you got against Fulham - unintentional contact with an opposing player in the box, causing said player to fall over.
(Puts tin hat on and ducks for cover).

Welcome back - poor results all round on Saturday huh?

 

[Han Solo]

A helpful video of it below.

Controversially, I don't think the Forest player "moved his leg towards Mitoma", I think the Forest's players studs got caught on Mitoma's sleeve which then kinda dragged him down.

Indeed. The idea that he the Forest player is sort of genius ballet dancer who in a 0,0001 second span decided and acted to move his his foot to get caught in Mitomas shirt... its a funny take. Shoudln't be believeable for anyone who has played any amount of football.

Still don't think its a penalty though. Forest player is off balance after a quick turn and Mitoma tries to make a fair and controlled tackle/block, and his shirt just kind of exists there, he's not controlling it.

To me, a player off balance getting his studs caught in the shirt of a player making a fair tackle... meh, the low amount of completely random contact isn't enough to award/keep a penalty. Its a bit like people falling over each other at a corner... could always award a penalty or free kick for the defending team if you look at every point of contact like its a foul. In this case, the Forest player didn't have a lot of balance and was brought down with minimal amount of contact. Unlucky for him (the idea that he should get a yellow is just silly) but a fair call in the end.

Not that it mattered...

 

[trueblue]

Not a penalty for me. In my view, a very good game for VAR. Used once to check a very big and important decision, with the semi-automated offside making a massive difference in removing all the petty stoppages. Love those early flags and the confidence that they’re almost certain to be correct. If VAR is only intrusive for penalty shouts and red cards it will be so much better.

 

[South Stand Bonfire]

There was another penalty appeal by Forest in the middle of our box a minute or so before the Mitoma incident which the ref waved away. Has anyone got any clips of that one?

 

[Han Solo]

No yellow card because he didn't deliberately try to deceive the ref. There's no way that at that speed, he thought "If I tread on Mitoma's arm, it'll look like he tried to trip me up with his elbow while sliding uncontrollably towards the goal line".

Not every contact between players has to be either a foul or simulation.

This. People need to get a grip if they really think the Forest player was doing that.

 

[Han Solo]

There was another penalty appeal by Forest in the middle of our box a minute or so before the Mitoma incident which the ref waved away. Has anyone got any clips of that one?

Don't have a video of it but that one was clearly a dive. They showed just one replay of it and clear as a day there was nothing in it.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

But Mitoma didn't catch him. He caught Mitoma by standing on his arm

We’re in the realms of was is a punch or a headbutt of the fist territory now.

I still think we were lucky to have it overturned and will leave it here.

Happy Monday everyone.

 

[darkwolf666]

The Forest player appears to initiate the contact with Mitoma by moving his foot towards the arm. That appears to be why the ref overturned his original decision.

Yep, from the off field camera that appeared quite clear, which is why the ref quickly changed his mind after getting a different angle. Proper use of VAR...

 

[darkwolf666]

A helpful video of it below.

Controversially, I don't think the Forest player "moved his leg towards Mitoma", I think the Forest's players studs got caught on Mitoma's sleeve which then kinda dragged him down.

I thought at 7 seconds in that video, the Forest player (Anderson) had the ball at his feet and as Mitoma slid past, moves his right foot to the right, where Mitoma's arms was flying by. It seemed a strange movement by the Forest player, given that the ball was at his feet and if anything his right foot would have been moving towards the ball to prevent it from going out of play or to get the ball moving again towards goal - it is subjective though, as you point out, "controversially"!

 

[Algernon]

The Forest player appears to initiate the contact

99/100 that has absolutely no bearing on the outcome.
Pundits love to totally ignore it or give it a mitigating "but there was still contact"
Referees don't seem to be able to spot it either.
The amount of dangled legs and abrupt slowing of pace to initiate contact is at epidemic levels.
It happens multiple times in every game now and it's just another cheat tactic. It needs calling out each time it happens.
It most always reaps the reward of a free kick to the "clever" cheater.
Luckily, not this time.