[Albion] Amex penalty shoot out …

[Chicken Run]

What technical ability and skill, beyond luck, should a “penalty keeper” have?

Longer arms and shovel hands

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

What technical ability and skill, beyond luck, should a “penalty keeper” have?

Ability to read a taker’s body language, ability to spring very quickly to their side, ability to time the reach of their outstretched arms and having strong wrists?

There clearly is an art to it because there are some keepers who have a very good record and some who have a very poor record.

 

[AmexRuislip]

Ability to read a taker’s body language, ability to spring very quickly to their side, ability to time the reach of their outstretched arms and having strong wrists?

There clearly is an art to it because there are some keepers who have a very good record and some who have a very poor record.

Seeing we have a German/Austrian connection, a shame we cannot sign up Sigmund Freud, if he were available.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

What technical ability and skill, beyond luck, should a “penalty keeper” have?

I've done quite a bit of biomechanics in fast bowlers, Inc sl-mo video etc. Obviously a very different sport but there are traits and triggers than can give clues. The classic was Shane Warne's 5 variants of delivery and trying to spot the subtle visual signals to "pick" what's coming.

The balance (esp head position) of the pen taker must be ever-so-slightly different if striking side-foot or instep and usually, for a right footer, side foot goes to keeper's left and instep to keeper's right.

I'm not a goal-keeping coach but there must be some science in the professional / elite game to explore in this ...

 

[essbee1]

I've done quite a bit of biomechanics in fast bowlers, Inc sl-mo video etc. Obviously a very different sport but there are traits and triggers than can give clues. The classic was Shane Warne's 5 variants of delivery and trying to spot the subtle visual signals to "pick" what's coming.

The balance (esp head position) of the pen taker must be ever-so-slightly different if striking side-foot or instep and usually, for a right footer, side foot goes to keeper's left and instep to keeper's right.

I'm not a goal-keeping coach but there must be some science in the professional / elite game to explore in this ...

In the same vein, you could do some neat stats and AI stuff on run-up, head position, foot position and use a body
of data of penalties from the past 10 years or so, let's say. But then is it really worth the time investment bearing in mind the
number of penalties/shoot outs we have etc?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Longer arms and shovel hands

You’re describing Alex, my Russian masseur.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Ability to read a taker’s body language, ability to spring very quickly to their side, ability to time the reach of their outstretched arms and having strong wrists?

There clearly is an art to it because there are some keepers who have a very good record and some who have a very poor record.

Possibly. I have never been convinced it’s much more than luck in a deal which is heavily weighted in the takers favour.

As for your last paragraph, that could just be nothing more than random variation at play.

 

[Han Solo]

I'm not a goal-keeping coach but there must be some science in the professional / elite game to explore in this ...

There is a famous Dutch book about it... don't remember the name. I actually think Bart was asked during the Euros if he had read it, which he had not.
I think its possible to maximise the chances of saving. But a lot comes down to the taker - a lot of it is psychological. When a team already leading a game gets a penalty, the conversion rate is almost 90%.

 

[North of Robertsbridge]

There is a famous Dutch book about it... don't remember the name. I actually think Bart was asked during the Euros if he had read it, which he had not.
I think its possible to maximise the chances of saving. But a lot comes down to the taker - a lot of it is psychological. When a team already leading a game gets a penalty, the conversion rate is almost 90%.

And Peter Handke's novel Die Angst des Tormanns beim Elfmeter*

* The goalie's fear at a penalty kick

 

[hoveboyslim]

Seeing we have a German/Austrian connection, a shame we cannot sign up Sigmund Freud, if he were available.

He was barely touching 5'8". He'd be crap.

 

[Chicken Run]

You’re describing Alex, my Russian masseur.

No i was describing Derek the guy who checked my prostate last week