[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[Zeberdi]

Impeachment is a political process, not a legal one. They don't need an actual crime to impeach. So they absolutely could impeach just because they hate him. Not that there won't be political consequences.

They are call ‘crimes of misdemeanour‘ in the Constitution which is what I was referring to as grounds for impeachment.

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I wasn’t suggesting impeachment requires crimes as defined by the legal justice system, nor did I suggest impeachment by Congress, even if they found a Present ‘guilty’ and voted to remove him, were criminal proceedings either - they are not but the Senate/House can recommend the DoJ bring indictments and could provide them with the results of any Congressional investigation.

Having said that, there are plenty of crimes already to form the basis of an impeachment. Having some actual crimes would, probably, make it easier to sell.

Agree but not easier to convict in a court of law even following Congressional indictments and thorough investigations as we found out last year.

Trump was impeached twice by Congress, let off twice by the Senate, indicted 4 times by the DoJ, a convicted felon yet still was voted back into the WH. In fact it only served to invigorate his support.

Exactly what are people hoping the Constitutional process of Government can do this time round to get him out?

The answer is very likely nothing.

The “failing” Atlantic reminds us just how difficult it is to determine an official/President is unfit to serve in public office and act on it - with the SCOTUS heavily weighted down with Republican appointees, it’s the foxes in charge of the chicken house, with the US Constitution being the proverbial chicken.

The Cases Against Trump: A Guide

Thirty-four felony convictions. Charges of fraud, election subversion, and obstruction. One place to keep track of the president-elect’s legal troubles.

www.theatlantic.com

There’s only one way Trump will be leaving the WH before his time is up and that will be in a box.

 

[Bodian]

Having said that, there are plenty of crimes already to form the basis of an impeachment. Having some actual crimes would, probably, make it easier to sell.

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"Fake Crimes" "Witch-hunt", etc, etc

 

[Flounce]

Impossible not to warm to him imo

 

[AZ Gull]

Wow - Trump has pulled the nomination of Elise Stefanik for US ambassador to the UN. She is currently a member of the House and her appointment would result in an election to replace her. Her district voted for Trump by +20 in the election in November. The Republicans must be terrified of what would happen at the polls in the current climate:-

 

[Triggaaar]

Breaking news...

"Mr President, one of your senior advisors has just been filmed shooting an unarmed woman in the head. What is your response?"

"Well I understand the camera man is an immigrant, shouldn't even be here, and the news channel is going out of business, and that all needs looking into."

 

[Pevenseagull]

Wow - Trump has pulled the nomination of Elise Stefanik for US ambassador to the UN. She is currently a member of the House and her appointment would result in an election to replace her. Her district voted for Trump by +20 in the election in November. The Republicans must be terrified of what would happen at the polls in the current climate:-

He's probably going to appoint Dennis Quaid or Jon Voight.

 

[Easy 10]

The ever-fragrant Marjorie Taylor Greene shutting down a UK reporter for Sky, for being British....then being asked by an American reporter to answer the question.

Honestly, the mind boggles at what the USA has become since the orange bungle**** got back into office. They literally hate EVERYONE.

 

[Pevenseagull]

The ever-fragrant Marjorie Taylor Greene shutting down a UK reporter for Sky, for being British....then being asked by an American reporter to answer the question.

Honestly, the mind boggles at what the USA has become since the orange bungle**** got back into office. They literally hate EVERYONE.

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I honestly don't have a f***ing clue why/how these buffoons are

1) in the position they are in
2) doing what they are doing
3) tying their shoelaces
4) chewing gum while walkin
5) being supported by a sizeable proportion of the people in their country

Jesus wept

 

[Easy 10]

N



I honestly don't have a f***ing clue why/how these buffoons are

1) in the position they are in
2) doing what they are doing
3) tying their shoelaces
4) chewing gum while walkin
5) being supported by a sizeable proportion of the people in their country

Jesus wept

And this on top of the (insulting intelligence) INSANE DENIALS coming out from Trump and his assorted goons over that catastrophic, astounding, unprecedented groupchat breach of the highest of high level security as they proceeed to bomb the f*ck out of another country, and somehow inadvertently cc in a random journalist on their wargames. "Nothing to see here" - WHAAAAT ? Kinell.

As most adults with a fully functioning brain knew well in advance, Trump getting elected again was always going to be a dumpster fire of EPIC proportions. But honestly, I had no idea it could possibly get THIS bad - and all within a couple of months !!

Stop the World please. I want to get off.

 

[Albion my Albion]

Remember the good old days when Mike Pence was 2nd in command? When impeachment would have made a difference?

The worst ever Indiana governor would have made the best Republican president because at least he knew what it meant to follow a law and what judges decided.

Turns out Pence was one of the only Republicans to actually have balls.

 

[Albion my Albion]

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Fake face, fake hair, fake tits, fake nails, fake news.
That country!

Fake Governor of South Dakota. Ask her dead dog. Oh, you can't. And dogs don't talk.

 

[Easy 10]

Trump: "As I understand, he got bored and signed off from the chat anyway"

Yes, Donald. A journalist, who has been inadvertently invited into a group chat involving the Vice President of the United States, Trumps Senior Adviser, the National Security Adviser, the US Special Envoy to the Middle East, the US Secretary of State, and the White House Chief of Staff...THAT journalist is going to check his phone and sign off from the group out of..."boredom" - whilst they are spilling all the plans about bombing Yemen.

Yeah. We'd all stifle a yawn at that, and go grill some Poptarts instead eh. I've muted that kind of shit for 8 hours plenty of times.

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

Impossible not to warm to him imo

He's lost none of his comic timing!

 

[vegster]

They are call ‘crimes of misdemeanour‘ in the Constitution which is what I was referring to as grounds for impeachment.

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constitution.congress.gov

I wasn’t suggesting impeachment requires crimes as defined by the legal justice system, nor did I suggest impeachment by Congress, even if they found a Present ‘guilty’ and voted to remove him, were criminal proceedings either - they are not but the Senate/House can recommend the DoJ bring indictments and could provide them with the results of any Congressional investigation.

Agree but not easier to convict in a court of law even following Congressional indictments and thorough investigations as we found out last year.

Trump was impeached twice by Congress, let off twice by the Senate, indicted 4 times by the DoJ, a convicted felon yet still was voted back into the WH. In fact it only served to invigorate his support.

Exactly what are people hoping the Constitutional process of Government can do this time round to get him out?

The answer is very likely nothing.

The “failing” Atlantic reminds us just how difficult it is to determine an official/President is unfit to serve in public office and act on it - with the SCOTUS heavily weighted down with Republican appointees, it’s the foxes in charge of the chicken house, with the US Constitution being the proverbial chicken.

The Cases Against Trump: A Guide

Thirty-four felony convictions. Charges of fraud, election subversion, and obstruction. One place to keep track of the president-elect’s legal troubles.

www.theatlantic.com

There’s only one way Trump will be leaving the WH before his time is up and that will be in a box.

Sadly, I think you are correct. I don't think there is anybody, or any institution of state or law that can do anything. He's still threatening to take a fellow NATO country " By any means necessary " FFS !
We in Europe really need to start the process of decoupling from the US now.

Wind down co-operation on every level, start to close US air bases in the UK, send them packing.

We have to hope that when he tries to order troops to take Greenland they refuse his orders.

 

[el punal]

Sadly, I think you are correct. I don't think there is anybody, or any institution of state or law that can do anything. He's still threatening to take a fellow NATO country " By any means necessary " FFS !
We in Europe really need to start the process of decoupling from the US now.

Wind down co-operation on every level, start to close US air bases in the UK, send them packing.

We have to hope that when he tries to order troops to take Greenland they refuse his orders.

Aren’t the US military bound by the Constitution (if that’s still relevant anymore) and therefore Congress has to vote on any such proposal? I’m assuming that is the case.

 

[Since1982]

Interesting chat on the Guardian Football Weekly yesterday (which btw included an utterly ill informed and one sided view of our cup tie) about how Trump and his lunatics are going to cope with Iran and others on their red list qualifying for the WC - will staff and even players be denied entry? Wouldn't put anything past them.

 

[el punal]

After the incredible f*** up of top US officials deciding to let a journalist in on their top secret ‘war plans’ I listened to some reactions from sane and sensible commentators. One respected expert on these matters came up with one damning opinion. He stated that a vast number of Americans were more likely to believe that Haitian immigrants would eat people’s cats and dogs than this disclosure of national security information. I think we all know which camp the ‘vast number of Americans’ are in.

 

[vegster]

Aren’t the US military bound by the Constitution (if that’s still relevant anymore) and therefore Congress has to vote on any such proposal? I’m assuming that is the case.

I'm hopeful that might happen but these are unparalleled times, it might come down to individuals refusing to obey Trump's orders.

 

[Zeberdi]

Aren’t the US military bound by the Constitution (if that’s still relevant anymore) and therefore Congress has to vote on any such proposal? I’m assuming that is the case.

You’d think!

However, the Constitution is at best a set of guiding principles that rely on interpretation by the higher courts - ultimately the Supreme Court of the US. Precedents can be overturned and often are ( Roe v Wade).

It’s been used as a political football between both the Dems and the Reps for years and has been subject to several Amendments since it was first drafted by the founding fathers.

The minutiae of what the principles mean in practice are not ironclad nor set in stone. Depending on the political leanings of SCOTUS, interpretation can be liberal (wide interpretation ) or conservative (strict).

Sadly, when it comes to getting rid of Presidents or preventing them from running after they have been indicted by Congress and the Courts, it’s a bit of a toothless tiger and not the panacea to resolve anti-democratic governance.

 

[Bodian]

Interesting chat on the Guardian Football Weekly yesterday (which btw included an utterly ill informed and one sided view of our cup tie) about how Trump and his lunatics are going to cope with Iran and others on their red list qualifying for the WC - will staff and even players be denied entry? Wouldn't put anything past them.

Best chance the USA have of winning the World Cup would be to deny entry to enough foreign players. Trump will then boast that under Biden, the football team never had a chance, etc, etc and then he came along and shook it all up - now they are bigly winners.