[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[Papa Lazarou]

They could impeach Vance too, but that's even more doubtful. He doesn't have the same heat on him, yet.

If the impeached Vance, who came next would depend on whether or not Vance was able to nominate, and get confirmed a VP of his own first.


Personally, I would have thought that time had passed a long time ago. Back in the first term, for a start. I honestly have no idea which bridge might finally be a bridge too far. They have crossed so many bridges already. And most of them have been left burning.

Remember the good old days when Mike Pence was 2nd in command? When impeachment would have made a difference?

 

[papachris]

 

[Zeberdi]

So the mechanism is only impeachment. Presumably they could impeach Vance too?

Do you think there will come a time when the Republicans think that it's better for them and their country to remove Trump?

Articles of Impeachment (which starts in the HoR) can‘t be drawn up unless there are specific charges of wrongs such as ‘treason and high misdemeanours’, ‘violating his oath of office’ and bribery. Unfortunately aPresident can’t be impeached for being unpopular or shitty at his job.

He could be impeached for treason if he is a National Security risk however, as he was in 2019. The Senate chose not to remove him from power. Constitutional law makers concluded that the Constitution doesn’t have the power to protect the Nation from the President.

A National Security Impeachment | YaleGlobal Online

archive-yaleglobal.yale.edu

The 25th Amendment doesn’t require impeachment though - it‘s invoked when a President becomes unfit to serve, by illness, death (assassination) etc and establishes the line of succession and also enables the VEEP to take over temporarily as acting President.

The 25th can be invoked:

‘Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office …’

Of course re. the “principle officers of the executive departments’ - a cynic might say that Trump gutting the executive departments and eliminating some completely, might be a long term strategy to deprive the principal officers the will (if they are replaced with Trump acolytes) or the ability (if the departments are eliminated) of ever being able to invoke the 25th.

The 25th Amendment - Rock the Vote

The 25th Amendment established the presidential line of succession and created a process for the President to be removed from office if they become unfit to serve.

www.rockthevote.org

 

[Triggaaar]

They could impeach Vance too, but that's even more doubtful. He doesn't have the same heat on him, yet.

If the impeached Vance, who came next would depend on whether or not Vance was able to nominate, and get confirmed a VP of his own first.

Thanks. Maybe impeach them together.

Personally, I would have thought that time had passed a long time ago. Back in the first term, for a start. I honestly have no idea which bridge might finally be a bridge too far. They have crossed so many bridges already. And most of them have been left burning.

He constantly lied in his first term, a lot of it about the pandemic obviously, but it was nothing like this: abandoning long standing allies to switch support to US's number one enemy, while removing all checks and balances on his own out of control power. It's all mad.

 

[Zeberdi]

He constantly lied in his first term, a lot of it about the pandemic obviously, but it was nothing like this: abandoning long standing allies to switch support to US's number one enemy, while removing all checks and balances on his own out of control power. It's all mad.

It was also largely predictable by those that had followed his campaign - isolationism, selling out Ukraine, gutting federal agencies, the tariff wars, withdrawing from the Paris Agreement, undermining NATO with impossible demands, Cosying up to Putin and Netanyahu and rounding up undocumented migrants and mass deportations

Much of what we are seeing was in Project 25 which was Trump’s blueprint for a second term - He promised all of it if elected.

 

[hampshirebrightonboy]

Stunning

 

[A1X]

Here’s his biggest fan

 

[Cordwainer]

I'm just watching the Security Committee grilling Trumps administration following the fully leaked Signal chat, and Gabbard is full on bullshitting.

After yesterday stating that the conversation did not contain classified information, she's now saying "My answer yesterday was based on my recollection or the lack thereof on the details that were posted there, and what was shared today reflects the fact that I was not directly involved with that part of the Signal chat".

Unbelievable lies. She first claimed it wasn't classified, despite it being obvious to all of us that it was (given what the journalist had reported), and now that the full information is out she claims she didn't realise. It's not relevant that she wasn't one of the ones posting the strike details, she still read

Here’s his biggest fan

Kinnell…whatabout, whatabout, whatabout..liked the American journalist asking the same question though. She is an absolute horror.

 

[Triggaaar]

Much of what we are seeing was in Project 25 which was Trump’s blueprint for a second term - He promised all of it if elected.

He distanced himself from project 25 (but yes, he appears to be following it)

 

[US Seagull]

Here’s his biggest fan

I love when she goes to an AMERICAN journalist and he just says "I'd like to hear your answer to her question".

 

[US Seagull]

Remember the good old days when Mike Pence was 2nd in command? When impeachment would have made a difference?

It's a very, very low bar. But as shitty as Pence and Vance both are, I think they'd be better presidents that the orange one.

If nothing else, they are capable of feeling pressure from voters and other people in government.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

It's a very, very low bar. But as shitty as Pence and Vance both are, I think they'd be better presidents that the orange one.

If nothing else, they are capable of feeling pressure from voters and other people in government.

Pence may have been poor, but when push came to shove, and under extreme pressure to not do so, he certified the result of the 2020 presidential election. Had he chosen the other path we'd be in a very different place now.

Or would we? Maybe we'd be where we are now anyway...

 

[Bodian]

Pence may have been poor, but when push came to shove, and under extreme pressure to not do so, he certified the result of the 2020 presidential election. Had he chosen the other path we'd be in a very different place now.

Or would we? Maybe we'd be where we are now anyway...

Well - the war in Ukraine would have only just started, if at all - because as we all know "it wold never have started if I had been president"

 

[BadFish]

Here you go.

If only there was some opportunity for the US to have voted for this guy.

Donald Trump wins two elections while Bernie is seen as unelectable. Staggering, you get what you vote for, unfortunately so do the rest of us.

 

[A1X]

If only there was some opportunity for the US to have voted for this guy.

Donald Trump wins two elections while Bernie is seen as unelectable. Staggering, you get what you vote for, unfortunately so do the rest of us.

It goes back to what people were saying about “the left” and the US attitude to it. Sanders is probably somewhere between Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband in that 2007-2015 Labour tradition when you listen to what he says. But as far as the US political machine is concerned he’s seen as some sort of lunatic communist.

 

[BadFish]

It was also largely predictable by those that had followed his campaign - isolationism, selling out Ukraine, gutting federal agencies, the tariff wars, withdrawing from the Paris Agreement, undermining NATO with impossible demands, Cosying up to Putin and Netanyahu and rounding up undocumented migrants and mass deportations

Much of what we are seeing was in Project 25 which was Trump’s blueprint for a second term - He promised all of it if elected.

I thought he distanced himself from Project 25 and told us it was nothing to do with him. Not that we believed him of course.

 

[beorhthelm]

dont see the Republicans impeaching their own President, just wouldn't work with the voters. i can see them just blocking and delaying him through congress as they can play that as something else.

 

[Zeberdi]

He distanced himself from project 25 (but yes, he appears to be following it)

I thought he distanced himself from Project 25 and told us it was nothing to do with him. Not that we believed him of course.

No one itk honestly believed Trump when he claimed that - even Trump himself.

It was widely reported at the time that he feigned ignorance of the P25 policy playbook or having a connection to the Heritage Foundation (who were the think tank behind the drafting of P25), yet was photographed previously shaking the hand of Kevin Roberts, the foundation’s president. The Heritage Foundation were one of the first groups to congratulate him in the early hours of Nov 7th.

Trump was all about disassembling in the face of criticism from the Democrats during his campaign and fending off accusations that P25 would come to pass if he were elected (inc all the things I mentioned in the above post vis a vis climate change, migrants and dismantling Federal government agencies ).

 

[Curious Orange]

It’s the 25th amendment or bust I believe. And they need the VP on board to remove the president.

That isn't inconceivable, someone was talking to The Times Radio the other day who suggested that Vance thought Comrade Trump was a moron.

 

[TomandJerry]

Trump told reporters gathered in the Oval Office now for his remarks on new tariffs on cars made outside the United States. At the start of remarks being streamed live on the White House YouTube channel, the president said that tariffs of 25% will be imposed on all imported cars.

The tariffs will apply to finished cars and trucks that are shipped into the United States, including those made by American auto companies whose automobiles that are made overseas.