[Politics] Musk (real life Bond villain planning world domination) needs a thread.

[chickens]

Elon is a dickhead, but the extraction of lithium, cobalt, nickel, and manganese (lets ignore the human side of this for now as the slave labour and exploitation claims haven't been confirmed and neither have the long term health effects of mining these materials) shipping it half way across the world to process into anode and cathode electrodes for batteries, then shipped back again to be installed in EVs makes perfect sense.

Also we should be ignoring the fact that 70% of electricity produced globally to charge the EVs is from burning fossil fuels.

Not many EVs last past 10 years and the cost of replacing the batteries is uneconomical but yeah, twice a day...

Oh come on, you’re not stupid, don’t pretend that you are. Materials used in battery production that can be recycled at the end of a battery’s useful life are in no way analogous with mining materials for burning, after which you have to mine and ship more for your next tank of fuel.

Similarly complaining that a percentage of electricity used to charge EVs comes from fossil fuel sources is a direct result of the (overly) gradual decarbonisation of our energy grid. That percentage you give is already entirely out of date.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66a76bf2ce1fd0da7b592e5d/UK_Energy_in_Brief_2024.pdf

Look at page 27 of the document above, which shows that clean energy generated was 41.2% of all energy generated in 2022, and 46.4% in 2023.

That number is increasing year on year, I suspect that if we didn’t already in 2024, then 2025 is the year we tip over 50%. So, I suspect a majority of the energy used is already clean/renewable, and the grid will only get cleaner. We won’t get figures to confirm this until 2026 though.

All EVs last 10 years or more. Even the very worst one (the original Nissan Leaf) can still be found wherever people can charge at home and just need something to take the dog out in/do tip runs. It had the worst battery management system of any EV, but they’ve generally left the road due to having a prang and insurer’s writing them off as uneconomical to repair, as with a combustion engine vehicle of a similar age.

It’s sweet that you’re out here batting for Saudi Arabia, but your post is almost entirely from the oil shill’s playbook.

 

[pb21]

I did see something funny over the weekend how 12 months ago the Leftie Liberals lot were all over EV and how good they are. Now Musk is in with Trump, Tesla is a symbol of hate.

Tesla ≠all EVs

 

[fly high]

Oh come on, you’re not stupid, don’t pretend that you are. Materials used in battery production that can be recycled at the end of a battery’s useful life are in no way analogous with mining materials for burning, after which you have to mine and ship more for your next tank of fuel.

Similarly complaining that a percentage of electricity used to charge EVs comes from fossil fuel sources is a direct result of the (overly) gradual decarbonisation of our energy grid. That percentage you give is already entirely out of date.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66a76bf2ce1fd0da7b592e5d/UK_Energy_in_Brief_2024.pdf

Look at page 27 of the document above, which shows that clean energy generated was 41.2% of all energy generated in 2022, and 46.4% in 2023.

That number is increasing year on year, I suspect that if we didn’t already in 2024, then 2025 is the year we tip over 50%. So, I suspect a majority of the energy used is already clean/renewable, and the grid will only get cleaner. We won’t get figures to confirm this until 2026 though.

All EVs last 10 years or more. Even the very worst one (the original Nissan Leaf) can still be found wherever people can charge at home and just need something to take the dog out in/do tip runs. It had the worst battery management system of any EV, but they’ve generally left the road due to having a prang and insurer’s writing them off as uneconomical to repair, as with a combustion engine vehicle of a similar age.

It’s sweet that you’re out here batting for Saudi Arabia, but your post is almost entirely from the oil shill’s playbook.

Not disputing anything else you've said. It would seem the majority of lithium batteries may well be produced using fossil fuel as the biggest producer is China, by a long way, followed by US both of whom are wedded to fossil fuel for energy production.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Not disputing anything else you've said. It would seem the majority of lithium batteries may well be produced using fossil fuel as the biggest producer is China, by a long way, followed by US both of whom are wedded to fossil fuel for energy production.

Luckily there are other chemistries in the pipeline that don't require lithium. Re China - they are rolling out more renewable capacity each year than many countries produce overall, so they are moving in the right direction, rapidly.

They still have a lot of coal fired power though, that is true.

How China Became the World’s Leader on Renewable Energy

China has achieved stunning growth in its installed renewable capacity over the last two decades, far outpacing the rest of the world. But to end its continued dependence on fossil fuels, it must now move ahead with planned reforms to its national electricity system.

e360.yale.edu

 

[jackanada]

Tesla stock has taken a battering from the failings of the cybercuck and Elon being a nazi.
I suspect the main reason all is employees are dumping stock and the orange shitgibbon has been having to talk Tesla up is that BYD battery.


In other news did anyone else see Musk post Iirc:
My son Xavier is dead. He was killed by the woke mind virus.

Dad of the year eh

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I did see something funny over the weekend how 12 months ago the Leftie Liberals lot were all over EV and how good they are. Now Musk is in with Trump, Tesla is a symbol of hate.

However your point is not nearly as good as the one @Springal made as the liberal lefties have a wealth of other EV cars to choose from. Trump followers however just do as they're told and go along with whatever idiocy he ascribes to such as drinking bleach and taking horse medicine.

 

[Bakero]

Tesla stock has taken a battering from the failings of the cybercuck and Elon being a nazi.
I suspect the main reason all is employees are dumping stock and the orange shitgibbon has been having to talk Tesla up is that BYD battery.


In other news did anyone else see Musk post Iirc:
My son Xavier is dead. He was killed by the woke mind virus.

Dad of the year eh

Yeah, I saw that. What a guy! And now he'll go back to crying that the mean radical left won't buy his cars.

 

[chickens]

Not disputing anything else you've said. It would seem the majority of lithium batteries may well be produced using fossil fuel as the biggest producer is China, by a long way, followed by US both of whom are wedded to fossil fuel for energy production.

Most EV batteries are produced in China, and China has historically been “the home of coal.”

TBF, China has almost seamlessly switched from combustion engine vehicles to EVs, and is making (slow) progress in decarbonising their energy generation too.

Analysis: China’s clean energy pushes coal to record-low 53% share of power in May 2024 - Carbon Brief

Clean energy generated a record-high 44% of China’s electricity in May 2024, pushing coal’s share down to a record low of 53%.

www.carbonbrief.org

Unfortunately an ever-expanding power-hungry industrial base mean that they’ll keep using cheap coal while it’s there, but China is now beginning to build big renewables infrastructure projects. I predict “peak coal” in China this decade, followed by a (slow) decline in reliance.

They’ll prioritise keeping the factory lights on over environmental concerns, but they will get there.

 

[banjo]

Tesla stock has taken a battering from the failings of the cybercuck and Elon being a nazi.
I suspect the main reason all is employees are dumping stock and the orange shitgibbon has been having to talk Tesla up is that BYD battery.


In other news did anyone else see Musk post Iirc:
My son Xavier is dead. He was killed by the woke mind virus.

Dad of the year eh

Orange Shitgibbon. thats made my day.

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

The US today seems like a reality Handmaiden’s tale, where are the heroes to save us all?

In Canada?

 

[Southern Scouse]

In Canada?

From what I remember, the good guys were fleeing the US and trying to escape to Canada….

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

From what I remember, the good guys were fleeing the US and trying to escape to Canada….

True. Indeed the author, Margaret Atwood, is Canadian.

 

[Drebin]

Oh come on, you’re not stupid, don’t pretend that you are. Materials used in battery production that can be recycled at the end of a battery’s useful life are in no way analogous with mining materials for burning, after which you have to mine and ship more for your next tank of fuel.

Similarly complaining that a percentage of electricity used to charge EVs comes from fossil fuel sources is a direct result of the (overly) gradual decarbonisation of our energy grid. That percentage you give is already entirely out of date.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66a76bf2ce1fd0da7b592e5d/UK_Energy_in_Brief_2024.pdf

Look at page 27 of the document above, which shows that clean energy generated was 41.2% of all energy generated in 2022, and 46.4% in 2023.

That number is increasing year on year, I suspect that if we didn’t already in 2024, then 2025 is the year we tip over 50%. So, I suspect a majority of the energy used is already clean/renewable, and the grid will only get cleaner. We won’t get figures to confirm this until 2026 though.

All EVs last 10 years or more. Even the very worst one (the original Nissan Leaf) can still be found wherever people can charge at home and just need something to take the dog out in/do tip runs. It had the worst battery management system of any EV, but they’ve generally left the road due to having a prang and insurer’s writing them off as uneconomical to repair, as with a combustion engine vehicle of a similar age.

It’s sweet that you’re out here batting for Saudi Arabia, but your post is almost entirely from the oil shill’s playbook.

I can confirm exactly this. My leaf is 11 years old and going strong. Hardly spent anything on maintenance on it. Over half of cars here in Norway are EVs now, and the oldest left on the road are this make and model. It’s got no value apart from the miles the battery has got left, and I think it’s got a good few years left in it.

I ruddy love my leaf, I does.

 

[A1X]

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Ah, but that’s just what “Mercedes” would want you to think. Wake up sheeple!

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I can confirm exactly this. My leaf is 11 years old and going strong. Hardly spent anything on maintenance on it. Over half of cars here in Norway are EVs now, and the oldest left on the road are this make and model. It’s got no value apart from the miles the battery has got left, and I think it’s got a good few years left in it.

I ruddy love my leaf, I does.

Exactly. I wrote just yesterday about the powertrain of a new EV that is guaranteed for 260,000 miles. That's probably more than 10 years for most people. In my experience, I find the people who trot out bullshit like 'they only last a few years', 'they always catch fire', or 'they only go about 50 miles' are, in the nicest possible way, completely clueless fuckwits who have never been near an EV, let alone driven one.

 

[Mellotron]

I can confirm exactly this. My leaf is 11 years old and going strong. Hardly spent anything on maintenance on it. Over half of cars here in Norway are EVs now, and the oldest left on the road are this make and model. It’s got no value apart from the miles the battery has got left, and I think it’s got a good few years left in it.

I ruddy love my leaf, I does.

Oh yeah, I bet the liberal lefties would love you to think that, wouldn't they?

Bloody woke agenda.

 

[MJsGhost]

Here's a Musk's disgusting level of wealth-related question to ruminate on...

Guesses at the ready!

The UK median household net worth is £293,700. Laying 293,700 pounds' worth of £50 notes end-to-end will give you a line about the length of 8 football pitches (858 metres).

Based on Forbes' estimation of Elon Musk's wealth ($327.3bn), how long will the line be if you do the same thing with the £50 notes?

Long enough to stretch...

a) From London to Paris
b) From London to New York
c) From London to Melbourne
d) From the Earth to the moon
e) 18 times around the world
f) To the moon and back, baby!
g) The length of (top of NSC's rich list) Steve Foster's driveway

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Here's a Musk's disgusting level of wealth-related question to ruminate on...

Guesses at the ready!

The UK median household net worth is £293,700. Laying 293,700 pounds' worth of £50 notes end-to-end will give you a line about the length of 8 football pitches (858 metres).

Based on Forbes' estimation of Elon Musk's wealth ($327.3bn), how long will the line be if you do the same thing with the £50 notes?

Long enough to stretch...

a) From London to Paris
b) From London to New York
c) From London to Melbourne
d) From the Earth to the moon
e) 18 times around the world
f) To the moon and back, baby!
g) The length of (top of NSC's rich list) Steve Foster's driveway

ChatGPT reckons e + 1

 

[MJsGhost]

ChatGPT reckons e + 1
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e and f are pretty much both right - the most precise answer (to a question with lots of estimates) lies in between the two

Either way, it's DISGUSTING