[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Triggaaar]

Whilst I really appreciate Jake and other YouTubers who support Ukraine, I think sometimes there's an unhelpful emphasis on the American's stupidity, gullability or incompetence, when really they are ruthless, traitorous and very dangerous.

I think Jake is aware of who they are, that this is deliberate, and he is highlighting it. Americans who voted for Trump also need to hear it (whilst I realise a lot of them are too far gone, there are some who will realise they were sold a lie).

Notice they are also (via Vance) stoking hatred of and from Europeans. Classic right wing tactics to create division but this time they want to cause conflict between us and the American people. I guess it would make future war easier to sell to the US public.

I can't see the US going to war with Europe, it doesn't make sense, even for MAGA.

 

[Triggaaar]

And I'd like to know wtf this means:
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It means the US are on Russia's side. They need to be stopped.

 

[Eric the meek]

And I'd like to know wtf this means:
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Interesting. At first glance, it sounds like the ceasefire over the Black Sea which Russia has proposed.

Why are they doing this? Are they trying to keep their oil export terminals open?

 

[SouthSaxon]

And I'd like to know wtf this means:
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It relates partly to the Black Sea Grains Initiative and Russia’s ability to export those products through those ports.

But, perhaps more pointedly, and to @Triggaaar’s point, it’s relevant to this:

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2025/03/14/trade-council-adopts-negotiating-position-on-tariffs-for-a-number-of-agricultural-products-and-fertilisers-from-russia-and-belarus/

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

OK, so here's what I think happens next:

1) limited cease fire implemented.
2) US traitors continue to big up Putin and rubbish Zelensky to American public.
3) Cease fire breaks down. This will be caused by Russia but blamed on Ukraine.
4) US will use this as a pretext to fully back Russia and withdraw support from Ukraine.
5) Trump is then free to work on plans to invade Greenland while doing everything possible to promote evil at home and abroad.

Let's hope the free world can hold out, stay united and ultimately, prevail.

PS: I think they want us (Europeans) and the Canadians to hate Americans so that they can retrospectively justify their actions. We must resist the temptation. It is only a minority of Americans driving this insanity.

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

I think Jake is aware of who they are, that this is deliberate, and he is highlighting it. Americans who voted for Trump also need to hear it (whilst I realise a lot of them are too far gone, there are some who will realise they were sold a lie).




I can't see the US going to war with Europe, it doesn't make sense, even for MAGA.

Even a trade war? Invasion of Greenland?

 

[Bodian]

Moving on to today’s events. Lavrov quoted on the latest talks:



I’m sure that order will follow soon enough, as I’m equally sure it’ll favour Russia. Of course, Zelenskyy doesn’t need take orders from Trump.

But, in essence, we now have Russia also seeking guarantees from the US. I wonder who Trump will favour

Source:

Russia willing to strike Black Sea deal in possible move towards peace if US orders Ukraine to respect arrangement – Europe live

Sergei Lavrov says Russia willing to agree deal on safety of shipping in Black Sea but says Moscow will need guarantees

www.theguardian.com

I'm uncomfortable about any agreement brokered by the US as you just know it'll favor Russia. We must ask ourselves - what does Russia think they'll gain from this and what will Ukraine lose?

It sounds to me as though it will be Russia who will gain from a ceasefire in the shipping lanes - as they appear to have been losing quite a few ships, and need it to be 'safe' to resume their exports.

And here it is really.

And I'd like to know wtf this means:
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Nothing for Ukraine except the continued exchange of PoW.

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

Well fancy that!

 

[timbha]

Well fancy that!
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The sanctions must be hurting

 

[Triggaaar]

Even a trade war?

A 'trade war' isn't a war that needs selling to the US public, they can have a trade war any day they fancy.

Invasion of Greenland?

Well that's more of a scary possibility. I'd hope that it would put all relations between the US and Europe on hold until Trump was replaced and Greenland was returned.

 

[Triggaaar]

OK, so here's what I think happens next:

1) limited cease fire implemented.
2) US traitors continue to big up Putin and rubbish Zelensky to American public.
3) Cease fire breaks down. This will be caused by Russia but blamed on Ukraine.
4) US will use this as a pretext to fully back Russia and withdraw support from Ukraine.

That's along the lines we've been saying for a while, and what Jake said in his video above.

 

[Triggaaar]

Well fancy that!
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How about no.

The Black Sea agreement favours Russia rather than Ukraine anyway, so it's lose/lose for Ukraine to agree to such nonsense.

The sanctions should remain until Russia is out of Ukraine, and then we'll think about it.

PS - these are the sanctions that Russia claimed were ineffective, right?

 

[driddles]

And I'd like to know wtf this means:
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Not sure, but if the US keeps up the trade war with Canada then Canada may use one of its nuclear options and stop exporting potash. The US imports most of its potash from Canada, US farming needs potash. So if the yanks want to eat they may try to get potash from Russia.

 

[Bodian]

Well fancy that!
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FFS. I can see the orange buffoon agreeing that this should happen. The blaming Ukraine for wanting to continue the war when they say 'no thanks'.

 

[SouthSaxon]

This seems to be Putin’s standard MO - agree to something but subsequently attach extra conditions to that.

I have no hope that it’ll persuade the Americans they’re being conned, but it’s not exactly subtle for the rest of the world to see what’s going on.

 

[Triggaaar]

I have no hope that it’ll persuade the Americans they’re being conned, but it’s not exactly subtle for the rest of the world to see what’s going on.

As Jake Broe says, Ukraine and Europe need to forget about the US for now. Don't go out of our way to piss them off, but understand that they are currently on Russia's side, and make plans accordingly.

 

[fly high]

This seems to be Putin’s standard MO - agree to something but subsequently attach extra conditions to that.

I have no hope that it’ll persuade the Americans they’re being conned, but it’s not exactly subtle for the rest of the world to see what’s going on.

What do Ukraine get in return? Why should they go with this? It only helps Russia wtf.

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

That's along the lines we've been saying for a while, and what Jake said in his video above.

Fair enough, I'll get my coat!

 

[Eric the meek]

What do Ukraine get in return? Why should they go with this? It only helps Russia wtf.

Maybe Ukraine should go with this, because it does, genuinely, want peace. Maybe it hopes and believes that the pros of the ceasefire outweigh the cons.

But I think the decision of Ukraine to accept this ceasefire is about the axis of time. A 30 day ceasefire favours Ukraine, not Russia, because it pushes the actual ceasefire (if it happens) further out into the future. But Russia needs this ceasefire, now. It needs the money from trade. Beyond the usual Russian bravado, it is in real trouble, both militarily and economically. 900,000 casualties is unsustainable, and extremely dangerous for the stability of post-war Russia.

By accepting a ceasefire, Ukraine is staying onside. Russia is nailed on to be offside in every attack. Ukraine will of course have a plan for when Russia breaks the ceasefire.

Finally, we are only nine weeks away from June, the month that Mark the economist has predicted the economic collapse of Russia.

 

[SouthSaxon]

Maybe Ukraine should go with this, because it does, genuinely, want peace. Maybe it hopes and believes that the pros of the ceasefire outweigh the cons.

But I think the decision of Ukraine to accept this ceasefire is about the axis of time. A 30 day ceasefire favours Ukraine, not Russia, because it pushes the actual ceasefire (if it happens) further out into the future. But Russia needs this ceasefire, now. It needs the money from trade. Beyond the usual Russian bravado, it is in real trouble, both militarily and economically. 900,000 casualties is unsustainable, and extremely dangerous for the stability of post-war Russia.

By accepting a ceasefire, Ukraine is staying onside. Russia is nailed on to be offside in every attack. Ukraine will of course have a plan for when Russia breaks the ceasefire.

Finally, we are only nine weeks away from June, the month that Mark the economist has predicted the economic collapse of Russia.

I’d add that Ukraine’s red lines are still to come, namely their territorial integrity and security guarantees.

They can knowingly play the game until those are up for discussion, with time on their (and Europe’s) side.