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[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 175 42.3%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 216 52.2%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    414
  • Poll closed .










Peteinblack

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Jun 3, 2004
4,421
Bath, Somerset.
Thoughts and prayers :thumbsup:

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aolstudios

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Nov 30, 2011
5,981
brighton
And that is the crux of the matter. The US is all about the ‘American dream’ which how poor people make good and everyone lives happily ever after. That’s not going to happen if the markets are going to rat shit, defence companies lose market share and influence, lower exports and tourist industry severely hit.
For instance International Trade Administration states that ‘The travel and tourism industry contributed $2.3 trillion to the U.S. economy in 2022 (2.97 percent of the country's GDP), supporting 9.5 million jobs’.

35% (about $83 billion) of all US defence industry exports went to Europe between 20-24 … cancelling of those orders is going to hurt big time.

its a matter of time before the affected start hammering on the White House door demanding change ….
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Insel affe

HellBilly
Feb 23, 2009
25,141
Brighton factually.....
If that's all true then, above everything else – it's a REALLY shit reason to vote for someone.
The fear of "The left" has been prevalent in America for decades, it has been drummed into them every day.

The very first time I went to America about 22 years ago, I could not believe the news, it was all doom, gloom, fear and loathing, with no understanding of the rest of the world, their world view is what they are told, not what they see or learn about first hand.

So the fear of the left is deep rooted, seen as a danger and almost second nature to most Americans especially those poorly educated with just an internal view of America, America, America, no wonder America First and make America great again resonates with so many folk, it is all they are fed everyday.
 
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fly high

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Aug 25, 2011
2,285
in a house
If that's all true then, above everything else – it's a REALLY shit reason to vote for someone.
Isn't that why so many voted Labour & in truth in many elections over the years, it's about not wanting the other lot more than actually wanting who some vote for.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Is that why he so meticulously paints his own face with a bad flesh colour?
When Zelensky was in the White House, he was the only one in the room not wearing make up. Why does Vance have to use eye liner?
 


Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
17,541
Isn't that why so many voted Labour & in truth in many elections over the years, it's about not wanting the other lot more than actually wanting who some vote for.
Quite possibly. But isn't that a bit different, because they are effectively sticking two fingers up at the politicians, not the people who share the views of those politicians.

I don't vote in elections, but I'd like to think that, if I did, my rationale would stretch a bit beyond choosing the 'side' that would 'piss off' people who don't agree with me.
 




SouthSaxon

Stand or fall
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Jan 25, 2025
890
If that's all true then, above everything else – it's a REALLY shit reason to vote for someone.
Yep, voting to spite someone else is a good way to piss on one’s own slippers. See also, Brexit.

At the same time, diabetic retinopathy is an unpleasant condition to deal with. Not dealing with it even more so.

What was the phrase? Contempt for the conmen, compassion for the conned?
 










Withdean South Stand

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Mar 2, 2014
790
Looks like the account has been deleted. There are a few signs that it was fake but, as you say, these days it's impossible to tell
Even if that particular post was a delicious parody, it is reflective of a lot of people who were "it won't affect me!" but it WILL. They might not have realised when voting, same with people who voted Brexit not thinking it would have any impact on themselves and then it does. Trump is an absolute catastrophe for the vast, overwhelming majority of the US and the people who voted for him. Whether they know it already or it will take a bit longer, that is the reality. But those people aren't anchored in reality at all.
 


Peteinblack

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Jun 3, 2004
4,421
Bath, Somerset.
The fear of "The left" has been prevalent in America for decades, it has been drummed into them every day.

The very first time I went to America about 22 years ago, I could not believe the news, it was all doom, gloom, fear and loathing, with no understanding of the rest of the world, their world view is what they are told, not what they see or learn about first hand.

So the fear of the left is deep rooted, seen as a danger and almost second nature to most Americans especially those poorly educated with just an internal view of America, America, America, no wonder America First and make America great again resonates with so many folk, it all they are fed everyday.
As so often, I'm amazed at how those who (understandably) dread Communism can't see how they themselves resort to similar tactics.

Ask a Republican why they hate the Left, and they'll say "Because the Left stifle disagreement, ban things they disagree with, destroy liberty, increase the power of the State, and impose mass conformity."

Yet these people cheer and whoop when Trump and his goon-squad brand their critics as terrorists or 'unpatriotic', round-up protestors, ban 'controversial' books from school/public libraries, ban abortion, sack workers they dislike (for political reasons, such as DEI), insult and smear academics, intellectuals, and unsympathetic celebrities or journalists, and deport 'undesirable' people without due process. Today, it the the Republican Right who are using the power of the State to impose mass conformity, spread fear, and stifle dissent and disagreement. If he was alive today, Stalin would be applauding Trump.

In other words, the awful things that the Hard Right accuse the 'radical Left' of, they do themselves against people they dislike.

Rather than seeing Far Left and Far Right as opposite ends of a straight line, I think they are better seen as part of a semi-circle or horseshoe (as noted by our very own @Harry Wilson's tackle) with the two extremes actually ending-up near or next to each other.

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