[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[SouthSaxon]

The best outcome would be Russian economic collapse. This is still possible but it becomes a lot harder if Trump lifts sanctions.

But the whole point of Europe increasingly puffing its chest out now is to deter further attacks on the Baltics and Poland.

 

[peterward]

The smart thing to do would be to put troops in Ukraine now.

Show that fucker we’re not messing around.

Give the baldy **** something to chew on.

I’d have Chinook’s shaking the tiles on the Kremlin roof by sundown .

I'd vote for you!

 

[Eric the meek]

Gazprom lost $13.1 billion in 2024.

This may be the key to stopping Russia in the longer term. It's the sanctions. If they haven't got the money to fund their war chest (to pay for weapons, troops, bot farms etc), then their war effort will grind to a halt. This is why they are keen for sanctions to be lifted.

I like the Ukrainian method of sanctioning Russia at arms' length. It's low risk, low cost and high reward. Cripple Russia's ability to extract, refine and transport it's natural resource wealth. This is why Putin wants a ceasefire in the skies on the energy sector.

Focus on what Russia is complaining about. Whip the engine out. Take it apart, piece by piece.
Why are they against Ukraine joining Nato? Why are they demanding Ukraine be de-militarised? Why are they demanding no more weapons aid for Ukraine?

The answers can be summed up thus: they are complaining about the things stopping them continuing with their war.

 

[A1X]

I’m not trying to be a smarty pants but I’ve said from the start, this is going to end up with European troops on the ground fighting a war with Russia.

Everything I’m seeing is pointing towards this.

Within 18 months Europe will be at war with Russia.

I don’t think such a fight will last very long. In a conventional war, I firmly believe Europe would kick Russia’s arse, certainly out of European territories if required.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

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Heads of State meet shocker.

@Rdodge30 embarrasses himself again.

 

[raymondo]

Interesting interview with Joe Walsh, ex Republican Senator (not the rock guitarist). It's his view on US politics at the moment:
- is Trump being played by Putin (no, he's doing what Putin wants because he admires Putin - there is no trickery)
- will Rubio stay loyal to Trump (probably, because he wants relevance in the Republican party, not because he agrees with Trump)
- will Trump and Musk stay best buddies (probably not)
- and , why and how the Democrats are in such a mess and don't do anything about it (because they truly don't recognize this moment, it's importance, and they don't understand how they need to change if they want to win the next election)

 

[SouthSaxon]

Heads of State meet shocker.

@Rdodge30 embarrasses himself again.

He also missed one. Can you identify who it could possibly be?

 

[Doc Lynam]

Fascinating interview

 

[Scappa]

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[GrizzlingGammon]

Heads of State meet shocker.

@Rdodge30 embarrasses himself again.

The last photo he couldn't bring himself to add shows Putin fisting Trump in his fat dandy arse, and playing him like Sooty.

 

[raymondo]

Good strike on Engels air base.

 

[raymondo]

Sorry if already posted but...Jake Broe explains why Trump wants to take control of Ukraine's nuclear power stations.

It's because Putin told him to. And why...

because if you have domestic nuclear power you can then develop plutonium nuclear weapons...

and what did Ukraine (sensibly) say a few weeks back?...

it's either NATO membership or nuclear weapons

And what did pussy Rutte ("I'm out of my depth!") say a week or so ago? "No NATO membership for Ukraine"

 

[beorhthelm]

Sorry if already posted but...Jake Broe explains why Trump wants to take control of Ukraine's nuclear power stations.

It's because Putin told him to. And why...

because if you have domestic nuclear power you can then develop plutonium nuclear weapons...

and what did Ukraine (sensibly) say a few weeks back?...

it's either NATO membership or nuclear weapons

And what did pussy Rutte ("I'm out of my depth!") say a week or so ago? "No NATO membership for Ukraine"

did Trump actually say he wanted to control all the nuclear plants, or was it just about Zaporizhzhia? because a few days ago it was about the energy for mineral extraction, which didn't make sense, now theory crafters want a new angle to twist.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

He also missed one. Can you identify who it could possibly be?

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

The last photo he couldn't bring himself to add shows Putin fisting Trump in his fat dandy arse, and playing him like Sooty.

i think you’ll find he keeps that for his private collection …

 

[SouthSaxon]

Sorry if already posted but...Jake Broe explains why Trump wants to take control of Ukraine's nuclear power stations.

It's because Putin told him to. And why...

because if you have domestic nuclear power you can then develop plutonium nuclear weapons...

and what did Ukraine (sensibly) say a few weeks back?...

it's either NATO membership or nuclear weapons

And what did pussy Rutte ("I'm out of my depth!") say a week or so ago? "No NATO membership for Ukraine"

did Trump actually say he wanted to control all the nuclear plants, or was it just about Zaporizhzhia? because a few days ago it was about the energy for mineral extraction, which didn't make sense, now theory crafters want a new angle to twist.

That theory was from Paul Warburg. I appreciate both of their channels, but on this one who knows?

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

Russia's wishlist.

 

[raymondo]

did Trump actually say he wanted to control all the nuclear plants, or was it just about Zaporizhzhia? because a few days ago it was about the energy for mineral extraction, which didn't make sense, now theory crafters want a new angle to twist.

As per the FT and BBC it's all nuclear power plants https://www.ft.com/content/06d9949f-3cd8-42c2-873f-af2acdee0f42

 

[Commander]

The smart thing to do would be to put troops in Ukraine now.

Show that fucker we’re not messing around.

Give the baldy **** something to chew on.

I’d have Chinook’s shaking the tiles on the Kremlin roof by sundown .

We should have done that right at the start. Had NATO immediately come to Ukraine's defence, Putin would have backed down. No doubt.

 

[SouthSaxon]

As per the FT and BBC it's all nuclear power plants https://www.ft.com/content/06d9949f-3cd8-42c2-873f-af2acdee0f42

If it’s only the nuclear plants, does that give more weight to Jake Broe’s theory? Conversely, if it’s nuclear+hydro, maybe that leans things towards the Paul Warburg theory?

Or Trump was just spitballing and none of it is true. Zelenskyy did say later that they hadn’t discussed ownership at all.

I don’t know, it’s all so messed up