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darkwolf666

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Nov 8, 2015
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Sittingbourne, Kent
Let's be honest here - if these 'cuts' were being put into place by the Tories, they'd be outrage on here.

Same as WFA.
I sort of got WFA, but think the target was set too low. It's all about division, which I really (naively) thought Labour were above!

I was quite surprised myself how quickly this thread initially sank off the front page before being bounced back.
 


SouthSaxon

Stand or fall
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Jan 25, 2025
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Support can be very much a postcode lottery. After being referred by our GP here in Kent, my wife was offered 6 sessions of CBT, with the advice that if she needed more, she could reapply!!!

Even going through Macmillan cancer charity she only got offered the same 6 week schedule of "chats".

To those that elect to, mental health is the new bad back - as in a shirkers excuse, as it can't be seen.

I really thought we had moved on though, apparently not it seems!
It’s similar where I am in Sussex, six sessions of group therapy sandwiched between prolonged periods of being bounced between different services that don’t have the resources or the right services to support.

My partner was lucky to get access to a more extensive programme that helped her learn how to regulate her emotions and various coping strategies, plus a long-term support service with someone who literally changed her life.

This was what inspired her to work in mental health herself (which she spent years studying for).

Both of those services have (of course) been cut in recent years.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
You sound like my mother in law, when she says ”we didn’t have any autistic / ADHD / dyslexic, etc. children when I was at school”…

It’s a shame also that you throw in words like handicap, normal and ill so readily and as apparent disparagement or insult - I thought those day were long gone!
I hope you told that was because they were all locked away in 'special schools'. I remember a school in Horsham that was just for autistic children, which was residential, in the late 60s. Out of sight out of mind.
Thatcher closed a lot of the homes, saying there would be Care in the Community, but it never arrived.
 


Berty23

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Jun 26, 2012
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You're still not getting it, are you, what conditions are you referring to as being "mental illness (whatever that means)"?

Who is declaring children "mentally ill"?

Who decides what's "normal"?

The 30% is not about "mental illness" - and is about children who need more time to sit an exam, no mention of it being exclusively due to mental health.

Funny isn't it, over time, probably generations, it was realised that some people needed more time to process things, as otherwise intelligent people just "flunked exams". Clearly, you would like to go back to those days. What % would be acceptable to you?
One of my daughters gets longer because she is dyslexic. I would bet good money that this is behind majority of extra time.
 




BLOCK F

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Feb 26, 2009
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You sound like my mother in law, when she says ”we didn’t have any autistic / ADHD / dyslexic, etc. children when I was at school”…

It’s a shame also that you throw in words like handicap, normal and ill so readily and as apparent disparagement or insult - I thought those day were long gone!
Over diagnosis of both physical and mental conditions is certainly a concern expressed by the Neurologist Suzanne O’ Sullivan.
Plenty of information and articles online if anyone is interested. She makes some interesting points and says, ‘ We are not getting sicker- we are attributing more to sickness.’
 
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darkwolf666

Well-known member
Nov 8, 2015
8,158
Sittingbourne, Kent
One of my daughters gets longer because she is dyslexic. I would bet good money that this is behind majority of extra time.
I'm guessing you don't consider your daughter to be mentally ill or have a mental illness, but more has a challenge to learning!
 


Chicken Run

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Will the government take their planned changes to Parliament for a vote before they push them through?
 




darkwolf666

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Nov 8, 2015
8,158
Sittingbourne, Kent
Over diagnosis of both physical and mental conditions is certainly a concern expressed by the Neurologist Suzanne O’ Sullivan.
Plenty of information and articles online if anyone is interested. She makes some interesting points and says, ‘ We are not getting sicker- we are attributing more to sickness.’
The article and her thoughts are a bit more nuanced than what you have written. I get your point though. It seems, a bit like the PIP scoring system proposal, too many people have disabilities, so we now have to be more selective about which ones count, while at the same time, sadly, paying little regard to the sufferer, as there are just too many people to cater for!

These guys aren't quite so keen on her work...

 


Kinky Gerbil

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Jul 16, 2003
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As Labour keep saying , we've got no money and people are struggling to pay bills as it is so raising tax is difficult.

Everything needs to be looked at spending wise, Starmer did say there would be difficult decisions.
 


darkwolf666

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Nov 8, 2015
8,158
Sittingbourne, Kent
As Labour keep saying , we've got no money and people are struggling to pay bills as it is so raising tax is difficult.

Everything needs to be looked at spending wise, Starmer did say there would be difficult decisions.
They did, just nobody expected them to go after the weakest and most vulnerable first .
 




fly high

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Aug 25, 2011
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They did, just nobody expected them to go after the weakest and most vulnerable first .
But they did that straight away, failing to protect the poorest pensioners even though they knew there were approximately 800,000 who should get the wfa, never mind those just a few pounds a week over the limit.
 


Bob!

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Kinky Gerbil

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They did, just nobody expected them to go after the weakest and most vulnerable first .
Low hanging fruit, plus the benefit bill is one of our highest spends so it makes sense to look at it first, so there is logic to it.

We do also have a problem with the number of people out work, we need to fix this, Labour are looking at this as well (although I'm not sure how it will tie in with making employing people less appealing with higher costs)

Labour have an issue coming though, they need to get immigration costs under control, they are already starting to take damage over taking benefits away from UK citizens v spend on hotels etc.
 










darkwolf666

Well-known member
Nov 8, 2015
8,158
Sittingbourne, Kent
But they did that straight away, failing to protect the poorest pensioners even though they knew there were approximately 800,000 who should get the wfa, never mind those just a few pounds a week over the limit.

They did, just nobody expected them to go after the weakest and most vulnerable first .
I know, that was what I was alluding to. The two big "savings" statements/ policies have been targeted at the bottom end!

I really expected more from Labour..
 




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