[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[GoldstoneVintage]

Reading between the lines here, I don't think Phillips likes Trump all that much. https://open.substack.com/pub/phill...?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4shdhp

 

[Triggaaar]

in todays battlefront where all comms are monitored, drones, spy plans, and satellites can watch event in real-time, they know who shot first, who violated the ceasefire.

let's at least give the process a chance rather than writing it off.

We already know that it's Russia that would break any ceasefire. But they will still blame Ukraine. Facts won't come into it.

 

[SouthSaxon]

I’m sure this is just a social visit, nothing to be alarmed about.

 

[Eric the meek]

I’m sure this is just a social visit, nothing to be alarmed about.

Urgent = unplanned and unannounced.

 

[Eric the meek]

It's Friday night in Moscow.

 

[SouthSaxon]

It's Friday night in Moscow.

He seems like a proper c**t, diplomatically speaking

 

[GT49er]

I’m sure this is just a social visit, nothing to be alarmed about.

Conversation to quietly side-line Trump? Good idea all round!

 

[raymondo]

Oh dear.

Times Radio are reporting that Witkoff was sent home unceremoniously from Moscow, possibly without seeing Putin.

I'm thinking that maybe the story of the encirclement of the Ukrainian troops was a Russian way of belittling/mocking Witkoff and therefore Trump.

I might be wrong of course, but Trump doesn't seem to be reading this at all well.

Worry not - Trump and Musk are already working on a tweet to explain very positively why Witkoff's meeting was so efficiently short

 

[raymondo]

Conversation to quietly side-line Trump? Good idea all round!

Waltz: Welcome to America!
European Security Advisors: What the fxck are you lot playing at?

 

[Eric the meek]

Not just in Romania either..... after the fraudulent Romanian election in which Russian puppet Georgescu is banned by their electoral commission......

Well whose actually surprised.

He's not stopping until we stop him.

He's relentless. He's rebuilding the Soviet Union and its sphere of influence.

Lavrov has said they still need Odessa, so we know the goals haven't changed. Putin doesn't want peace. He wants the whole of Ukraine subjugated.

And then neighbouring Romania. West of Romana is Serbia, but they're already pro-Russia so that's a bye. Further west is Bosnia, which is a work in progress. Rich pickings there, where there are tensions and segregation between Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Muslims, even in school, 30 years after the Bosnian war of independence.

To the north is Hungary, and Orban is already in power there, still being disruptive in the EU.
Whoops, sorry. I nearly forgot Moldova and Transnistria.

'He's not stopping until we stop him.' I agree. But stopping him must mean a permanent, total stop. Otherwise, even when we've 'stopped' him, he won't really stop. He'll just go back to planning more destabilisation of the enemy. More weaponisation of migration? That works well - it's tried and tested. Stood the test of time. He has been working on these things for years. Germany. Brexit. Maga. Unfettered by awkward elections, he can plan years or decades ahead.

I would suggest that the only way to stop him, hopefully permanently, is to disable the Russian economy so that it cannot again build up a war chest. Sanction him up to his neck, to include steep escalations for hybrid activities, severe secondary sanctions for firms and nations who break the sanctions, and prevention of the extraction, refining and transport of oil and gas to remaining customers.

It has to happen. Putin has no intention of stopping. He never will.

 

[Eric the meek]

Some things in this war are more difficult to process than others. This is one of the more difficult ones.

 

[raymondo]

Some things in this war are more difficult to process than others. This is one of the more difficult ones.

Buy zero Teslas, buy alternatives to Starlink where possible. The man's a vindictive thug.

 

[SouthSaxon]

This feels instinctively right. Trump is so full of shit, of course he’s exaggerated his contact with Putin.

 

[Flounce]

Some things in this war are more difficult to process than others. This is one of the more difficult ones.

What a heartless ****. Even more unforgivable given the fact that he has children of his own

 

[Eric the meek]

What a heartless ****. Even more unforgivable given the fact that he has children of his own

At least 14, by 4 different women.

That's 14 chances to empathise with the parents of Ukrainian children who were stolen from them and taken to an unknown place in Russia.

 

[fly high]

Reading between the lines here, I don't think Phillips likes Trump all that much. https://open.substack.com/pub/phill...?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4shdhp

Phillips is right about hope. The free world (excluding US) really does need to wake up, there is absolutely no hope that Trump will change and do the right thing. We must plan and move quickly to save the world from this lunatic and his best buddy Putin.

 

[fly high]

At least 14, by 4 different women.

That's 14 chances to empathise with the parents of Ukrainian children who were stolen from them and taken to an unknown place in Russia.

He's already disowned one and apart from the one he carries around with him don't think he gives a shit about the others.

 

[raymondo]

At least 14, by 4 different women.

That's 14 chances to empathise with the parents of Ukrainian children who were stolen from them and taken to an unknown place in Russia.

Yes...but remember he's proud of his lack of empathy (allegedly). He said in an interview that empathy is what is holding back the human race.; of course, that could have been 'look at me everyone ' bollox, but that's what he said.

 

[happypig]

He's relentless. He's rebuilding the Soviet Union and its sphere of influence.

Lavrov has said they still need Odessa, so we know the goals haven't changed. Putin doesn't want peace. He wants the whole of Ukraine subjugated.

And then neighbouring Romania. West of Romana is Serbia, but they're already pro-Russia so that's a bye. Further west is Bosnia, which is a work in progress. Rich pickings there, where there are tensions and segregation between Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Muslims, even in school, 30 years after the Bosnian war of independence.

To the north is Hungary, and Orban is already in power there, still being disruptive in the EU.
Whoops, sorry. I nearly forgot Moldova and Transnistria.

'He's not stopping until we stop him.' I agree. But stopping him must mean a permanent, total stop. Otherwise, even when we've 'stopped' him, he won't really stop. He'll just go back to planning more destabilisation of the enemy. More weaponisation of migration? That works well - it's tried and tested. Stood the test of time. He has been working on these things for years. Germany. Brexit. Maga. Unfettered by awkward elections, he can plan years or decades ahead.

I would suggest that the only way to stop him, hopefully permanently, is to disable the Russian economy so that it cannot again build up a war chest. Sanction him up to his neck, to include steep escalations for hybrid activities, severe secondary sanctions for firms and nations who break the sanctions, and prevention of the extraction, refining and transport of oil and gas to remaining customers.

It has to happen. Putin has no intention of stopping. He never will.

The difficult part is stopping his disruptive disinformation campaigns, or rather persuading the gullible that they've been had and educating them so they dont get fooled again. That's going to be harder than stopping Putin's tanks.

 

[raymondo]

He's already disowned one and apart from the one he carries around with him don't think he gives a shit about the others.

Ah yes, the human shield on his shoulders - certainly stops nasty questions from journos .