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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024
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Always time for that.
I deleted my post out of a sense of kindliness. But you jumped the gun again.
Swift.
I don't suppose you.....can play.... left back
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I'm more of a Kerry Mayo, minus the ginger hair than and speedy Left back.....
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i understood your point and not disagreeing that he has exploited the charges to his advantage electorally - that is a testament to all the gaslighting of his opponents and manipulation of his supporters he has done.Where have I said it's a witch hunt? He deserves everything that will come to him if he's finally nailed.
My point was it was dumb to do it now and reignite his campaign in the way it has done.
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Each and every case that is brought forward increases the likelihood of him being sworn in again.
There are civil cases being brought as well as federal cases, there was absolutely a political game going on and it's backfired.
However, I simply disagree that it a case that the Dems are being ‘dumb’ or that the charges against him are a ‘political game’, it is the DoJ that investigate and indict criminal offences not political parties - it is also the DoJ and not the Democrat Party who decide the timetable of his court cases - in fact it has been Trump that has been largely influential on the timetable by keep pausing the proceedings to appeal on points of law to SCOTUS. Direct me to any article/news story that says it has been Biden/the Democrats that have either sued or indicted Trump for criminal charges or asked the DoJ to hold the trials when it suits the Dems? Accusing the Dems for Trump facing either civil or criminal charges is exactly what he wants his supporters to believe so he can argue that he is the victim of a political game rather than being actually guilty of the crimes with which he is charged - ( his audience being too dense to tell the difference between the Department of Justice and a political party or too biased to care)
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I was referring to our discussion yesterday evening when you were here!
Is your wife Kinky?
There's only two kinkygerbils....
There are a few:
This one didn't get very far - but it plays into his victim stance
Supreme Court dismisses House Democrats' dispute over Trump hotel documents
The case the justices had agreed to hear is now moot because Democratic lawmakers have dropped their lawsuit.
10 House Democrats join suit against Trump for role in Capitol attack
The Democratic lawmakers joining the NAACP's lawsuit were in the House gallery when the pro-Trump mob breached the Capitol building.
www.cbsnews.com
Again, he deserves it all and should be in jail.
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
I'm reading a very interesting (and thankfully,v thin) book "How To Stop Gambling Now" (by Sid Harris, a friend of my neighbour, a "professional gambler" now in hard times - my neighbour not the author). A quote he reprinted reminded me of this thread:
"You cannot convince a believer of anything, for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on the deep seated need to believe". (Carl Sagan)
"You cannot convince a believer of anything, for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on the deep seated need to believe". (Carl Sagan)
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I wasn’t aware of these but it is not surprising- Trump has numerous civil lawsuits filed against him - he did before he even became President.There are a few:
This one didn't get very far - but it plays into his victim stance
Supreme Court dismisses House Democrats' dispute over Trump hotel documents
The case the justices had agreed to hear is now moot because Democratic lawmakers have dropped their lawsuit.www.nbcnews.com
10 House Democrats join suit against Trump for role in Capitol attack
The Democratic lawmakers joining the NAACP's lawsuit were in the House gallery when the pro-Trump mob breached the Capitol building.
Again, he deserves it all and should be in jail.
However - These are minor civil cases brought by the civil rights organisation, NAACP to which Democratic lawmakers (in their capacity as House Committee members) joined in suit. It was about Trump‘s role in the attack on the Capitol on Jan 6 preventing members of Congress from tallying up the votes and subjecting them to a violent attack - hardly ‘victimising Trump’ - more the other way round.
As you say, the other documents case went no where and was part of the oversight of a sitting President who was using his personal property (The Trump International Hotel in Washington) to make money from people renting rooms because it gave them access and possible influence over the Whitehouse - again entirely appropriate line of investigation where there was an obvious conflict of interest and Trump using the Presidency for private enrichment.
Trump can’t break the law with impunity and then claim he is being victimised and witch-hunted when attempts are made to bring him to justice
- that is absurd but I’m afraid it has been his modus operandi for decades.I just can’t believe that in 10 months we could be going through all this again.
Talking points…
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WATCH: The 3 Trillion-ish Times the Media Has Used 'Bloodbath' in Reporting.
The bloodbath hoax continues to limp along, with fresh evidence emerging of the media's selective outrage when it comes to President Donald Trump, who
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You cannot for a moment believe that the majority of his core supporters would have the intellectual capacity to understand the retrospectively applied nuance of what he was referring to when he used the term "bloodbath".Talking points…
WATCH: The 3 Trillion-ish Times the Media Has Used 'Bloodbath' in Reporting.
The bloodbath hoax continues to limp along, with fresh evidence emerging of the media's selective outrage when it comes to President Donald Trump, who
Whether it was intentional or merely symptomatic of his characteristic inarticulacy and incoherence, Trump certainly did not make it clear what he meant, because his comments preceding and following his use of that word were stumbling, disjointed, vague and lacked coherency.
Given the perceived inflammatory nature of the term he used and given the context of his previous comments in relation to Jan 6th and the actions of the people who took part who he describes as "heroes" and "hostages", and given the fact that numerous people died as a direct consequence of those events, and given the fact that many of his supporters have repeatedly called for the execution of those who have not bowed to Trump's orders, wishes and whims, within all of that context and with the benefit of that hindsight, it was the responsibility of Trump and Trump alone to make absolutely clear what he meant by his use of the term "bloodbath" so that there was no ambiguity or possibility of misinterpretation. But Trump failed to do that.
The question is why did he fail? Was it intentional or was it merely because he is a bumbling, incoherent and inarticulate orator?
What there can be no doubt about is that because of his inability to make the meaning of his message clear, a significant number of his core support, many of whom, by Trump's own acknowledgement are lacking in education and intellect, would have taken his "bloodbath" comment literally and as a call to arms.
Trump knows this. He has already stated on numerous occasions how he likes people who are uneducated as long as they love him. So he knows exactly how these people would interpret that comment if he was intentionally vague and unclear.
So its not the so called "left wing" media who there should be any concern about for their misinterpretation of his comments, whether intentional or otherwise, as their misinterpretation will not potentially incite violence leading to further deaths and serious injuries.
The only ones that there should be any concern about regarding any possible "misinterpretation" are those who are amongst Trump's more uneducated,, more easily influenced, or more potentially violent supporters, of which there are evidently many.
Trump has a duty of responsibility to brush up on his oratory skills to ensure those people amongst his supporters do not misunderstand or misinterpret the meaning of his message, or the consequences could be extremely dire and potentially fatal, but of course, I'm sure Trump already knows that.
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the vast majority of his supporters wouldn't have watched the original speech. they'll first see the headline reactions, then the counter-claims of a "hoax". whether manner said was deliberate or not, the media played along, either a predictable part or creating an issue.
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Problem is, though, that:
a) If Trump gets re-elected, he'll claim that it was in spite of the 'deep state conspiracy' against him - "Look how strong I am. They couldn't stop me." Then the revenge and reprisals against his political opponents and critics will begin - a new era of McCarthyism and witch-hunts; Cancel Culture on steroids.
b) If Trump loses the election, he and his Zombie followers will claim that it was because of the 'deep state' conspiracy' against him - near-Civil War will erupt on the streets which he will actively provoke, but then blame on 'Democrat mobs', before calling on the army and police to 'restore order' by locking-up Democrats for treason. I can even imagine him and his supporters calling for a military coup 'to save America'.
It is absolutely impossible to have any serious debate or discussion with the MAGA crowd; they only see and hear what they want to see and hear. Everything else is dismissed as Fake News or 'Sleepy Joe's Woke Marxist Democrat Propaganda'
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Seems like a reputable information source, run by a nice fellowTalking points…
WATCH: The 3 Trillion-ish Times the Media Has Used 'Bloodbath' in Reporting.
The bloodbath hoax continues to limp along, with fresh evidence emerging of the media's selective outrage when it comes to President Donald Trump, who
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I wasn’t aware of these but it is not surprising- Trump has numerous civil lawsuits filed against him - he did before he even became President.
However - These are minor civil cases brought by the civil rights organisation, NAACP to which Democratic lawmakers (in their capacity as House Committee members) joined in suit. It was about Trump‘s role in the attack on the Capitol on Jan 6 preventing members of Congress from tallying up the votes and subjecting them to a violent attack - hardly ‘victimising Trump’ - more the other way round.
As you say, the other documents case went no where and was part of the oversight of a sitting President who was using his personal property (The Trump International Hotel in Washington) to make money from people renting rooms because it gave them access and possible influence over the Whitehouse - again entirely appropriate line of investigation where there was an obvious conflict of interest and Trump using the Presidency for private enrichment.
Trump can’t break the law with impunity and then claim he is being victimised and witch-hunted when attempts are made to bring him to justice
I just can’t believe that in 10 months we could be going through all this again.
All plays into his role as a victim and it works, I just can't believe we are seeing the same mistakes by the same people as we did in 2016.
I don't know who you get in after these two poor options to break the cycle after they have gone.
For a short time it looked like it might be Newsome v Desantis race, however that isn't really much better looking at their states.