[Football] Joey Barton

[aolstudios]

Probably just after this was recorded

Well that's conclusive then

 

[aolstudios]

.

 

[Seagull58]

Not quite so but not far off.

When Twitter started it was a liberal echo chamber. The cleverness of having to get your message into a short number of characters was a challenge writers and comedians relished and the thickos couldn’t cope with.

It changed with “Alt Right” but very little was censored. They only banned Trump because he constantly and deliberately challenged their boundaries, like a few on here.

Since Musk has taken over it’s basically gone full circle. Now it’s a right wing echo chamber and all the hateful stuff is pushed to everyone via “For You”. You can write as much as you like if you pay for it. It’s actually very dangerous.

If Barton cared he’d be going pundit by pundit. Eni Aluko is terrible. Shit footballer, worse pundit. But Emma Hayes knows more about football than most male pundits, Merse is a halfwit who’s burned half his brain cells and Michael Owen is the worst of the lot.

I suspect Joey’s just not getting punditry jobs because he’s a fraud with a brother doing time for a racist murder.

I'm not sure she was a shit footballer. She got 100 caps for England, won the double with Juventus and was only dropped by England when she exposed the racism.

 

[aolstudios]

I'm not sure she was a shit footballer. She got 100 caps for England, won the dou league with Juventus and was only dropped by England when she exposed the racism.

Well, exactly.
Ridiculous statement

 

[tstanbur]

I'm not sure she was a shit footballer. She got 100 caps for England, won the dou league with Juventus and was only dropped by England when she exposed the racism.

Women’s football was a completely different standard when she played. It has developed at a tremendous rate since and she’d be nowhere near the current England team.

Watch the video I posted a few posts above. You’d be laughed off the pitches at Waterhall on a Sunday morning with that “ability”.

 

[AmexRuislip]

In the 2023 New Years Honours list, England goalkeeper Mary Earps has been awarded an MBE for services to pissing off Joey Barton and Piers Morgan.

 

[Farehamseagull]

Women’s football was a completely different standard when she played. It has developed at a tremendous rate since and she’d be nowhere near the current England team.

Watch the video I posted a few posts above. You’d be laughed off the pitches at Waterhall on a Sunday morning with that “ability”.

As you say, the standard of womens football has increased dramatically in recent years largely down to the coaching. So don’t you think she would be a better player benefitting from that improved coaching too?

She was a top player of her time and would be now if she was 10 years younger.

 

[Seagull58]

Barton's posts over the last couple of days, especially the recent one against Neville, suggest to me that he has totally lost control. Could be having a very public mental breakdown on social media or getting over-excited from the sniff. Either way, intervention is urgently needed.

 

[tstanbur]

As you say, the standard of womens football has increased dramatically in recent years largely down to the coaching. So you don’t you think she would be a better player benefitting from that improved coaching too?

She was a top player of her time and would be now if she was 10 years younger.

Fair points but I just can’t unsee that video now. Genuinely shocking.

 

[Eeyore]

I don't understand the issues with the diversity questions on sports commentary. I wonder if it is because I don't look for things to pick at, as seems to be the wont.

If I did have to analyse it, I would say that there are just as many men who offer little to punditry as women. And I also wonder if you used some trippy AI and gave the women a male frame, or the black pundits a white face, would they get as much grief. They wouldn't. It's the same with female officials.

Do I think there is some box ticking going on ? I do. Does it bother me ? No. The reason for that is, if I have to go deep into it, I don't think there are many pundits of real quality. And I wonder if we need punditry anyway. I was just as happy watching football with John Motson or Brian Moore on commentary saying little and letting us form our own thoughts, in the same way I was just as happy with Pete West and Richie Benaud allowing you to absorb the occasion without publishing the swing trajectory of the session and eulogising about it.

 

[Eric the meek]

Update: Joey Barton has continued his social media rampage, and there's no stopping him. He has now had a go at Ed Balls's son Joel who is a trans activist.
It seems our Joey is getting a bit confused...

Sorry about the link to the Daily Star, but needs must.

Joey Barton plumbs new depths with vile tweets on trans people and ex-MP's son

Ex-Premier League ace Joey Barton has been taking swipes at former Labour politician Ed Balls and launched a tirade against "trannys" after hitting out at the ex-MP's son

www.dailystar.co.uk

 

[Triggaaar]

I'll start: Joey Barton is rubbish.

Post football, he's just a shit Nick Griffin
In football, he was just a shit Vinnie Jones

He's just shit

 

[Triggaaar]

I'm not sure she was a shit footballer. She got 100 caps for England

Not as many caps for England as Barton though, right?

 

[Triggaaar]

Barton's posts over the last couple of days, especially the recent one against Neville, suggest to me that he has totally lost control. Could be having a very public mental breakdown on social media or getting over-excited from the sniff.

Maybe.

Either way, intervention is urgently needed.

Is it though?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Barton's posts over the last couple of days, especially the recent one against Neville, suggest to me that he has totally lost control. Could be having a very public mental breakdown on social media or getting over-excited from the sniff. Either way, intervention is urgently needed.

f*** him. He’s been a twat to varying degrees all his life.

 

[Baldseagull]

I really enjoy the diversity on the BBC (MOTD and the R5 football commentary side kicks and pundits). I will admit to being a prejudiced southern white middle aged man by default 20 years ago, instantly triggered by a working class accent, especially a black one. 'Obviously' I wasn't racists. I simply though that the likes of Morrison were a bit thick (I would put Merson into that camp too, doubly proving that I wasn't racist. Ahem.). Then I started to listen to what they said. And started listening more closely to all of them. Waddle used to really irritate me with his 'should of went' bollocks. But that's simply the working class style of speaking in his region of origin. His insights (a bit old school admittedly) I realized were interesting. Same with Morrison. Black working class London, spare me. But hang on, his views are nuanced. His knowledge is immense. Balanced judgement. Once I had changed my receiver settings, listening to these people started to be enjoyable.

But I agree with @Guinness Boy that institutions and employees can f*** all this up. By box ticking they are actually being racist. And acting against the best interest of their organization. Who wants the second rate applicant getting the job just so management can tick a box in the paperwork? It shows a lack of respect by the management for its present workforce, and a disregard for the health and success of the organization. This is what happens when people who don't believe in equality are put in change of eliminating prejudice. The lazy fuckers just make a list with boxes to tick.

Organizations must ensure that jobsworths and percentage players don't rise to the top.

The irony is that lots of minorities and women (women are not a minority, but a previously excluded cohort) getting on, even if in some cases in jobs they did not merit, changes the landscape and makes it easier, going forward, for people to be employed on merit. It serves a purpose to have all of society visibly represented (even if some of them don't merit their position).

After all, we managed reasonably well for hundreds of years allowing only white men, a proportion of whom were entirely unsuitable, to be given all the positions of power and influence. So I'm not going to wet my pants if a few of the women, ethnic minorities, disabled, differently abled, or autistic folk who get gainful employment are a bit shit. They are not the exceptions that prove the rule. And we are getting better at employing people now. Not in every sector, and not all that well (as noted above) in some. But the trajectory is encouraging.

Binning anti-discrimination law could be weaponized by the tories soon, of course, as part of the anti-woke agenda. If that meant the possibility of Suella Braverman being told to stop bothering the world of politics and get back in the kitchen, I must confess, I would be conflicted. My bad. I did say I used to be instinctively racist and sexist. It's probably genetic, so I blame my parents.

I can see positions where the individuals quality should be the only consideration. No big deal if ladies are given a chance to gain experience and popularity as pundits or commentators though. Is it really damaging to have more black faces/women on TV adverts? The fact is, in most of the places where a meritocracy is important, we have never had it, we have had a succession of old Etonians running the country, and an overwhelmingly white Police Force. In your field, maybe there are too few suitable people that "tick the boxes" currently, or maybe you just need to acclimatise to the different accents. I agree, that some people will get a position they do not deserve or merit, but what a rarity to have that advantage by being black or female, and not because of where you went to school, your accent, or who your Daddy was.

 

[clapham_gull]

Barton's posts over the last couple of days, especially the recent one against Neville, suggest to me that he has totally lost control. Could be having a very public mental breakdown on social media or getting over-excited from the sniff. Either way, intervention is urgently needed.

Yep. He wouldn't be the first ex-player / manager to drop down a hole.

I assumed he had oddly (based on his relatively recent "pollical" history) lurched to the right, but there is something else going on here.

Starts with bitterness towards television presenters, then conspiracy theory. Posting libellous content with seemingly no regard to the outcome to him himself.

Some bizarre attacks at the family members of certain politicians and likening female footballers to serial killers.

A few years ago he was standing up against homophobia in football. Somethings up...

Hope he finds help quickly.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Fair points but I just can’t unsee that video now. Genuinely shocking.

You could compare it to the video of JP van Hecke fumbling the ball into his own net yesterday whilst completely unchallenged and then realise you can make anyone look complete dogshit by selectively choosing clips of them being uncharacteristically shit at something they otherwise excel at

 

[Guinness Boy]

I'm not sure she was a shit footballer. She got 100 caps for England, won the double with Juventus and was only dropped by England when she exposed the racism.

She won the majority of those when the standard of women’s football was abysmal. The game has improved immensely even over the last four years, ironically proving the exposure is needed and working, something Joey doesn’t ever mention.

Look at the video he’s shared. Her technique is all wrong and she can’t volley off her own drop without skying it or the ball bouncing in the penalty area. Every one of the under 13 boys I used to coach could make that shot.

 

[BadFish]

Yep. He wouldn't be the first ex-player / manager to drop down a hole.

I assumed he had oddly (based on his relatively recent "pollical" history) lurched to the right, but there is something else going on here.

Starts with bitterness towards television presenters, then conspiracy theory. Posting libellous content with seemingly no regard to the outcome to him himself.

Some bizarre attacks at the family members of certain politicians and likening female footballers to serial killers.

A few years ago he was standing up against homophobia in football. Somethings up...

Hope he finds help quickly.

Yep he needs a good friend to take his phone away and check him into rehab/send him to get help.

I don't like the guy but it feels like he is having a breakdown in public and thats not okay for anyone.