I'd also add, that I never suggested you're a Nazi, and I'm not sure where that suggestion has come from.
[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
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- Oct 17, 2008
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What we certainly can agree on, is that I hope it gets worse and worse for the Tories. Then it can get worse still!
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Gillingham particularly.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Sorry but I haven't seen anybody at 'Labour HQ', the Liberal Democrats, the Greens, or the many independents getting distressed by these results, quite the opposite. The only people getting distressed by these results are the Conservative party and yourself as far as I can see
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Not just Kent. Wealden yet to declare as there's 6 wards yet to be finalised. But looking at Sussex Express live feed Cons have lost control and could potentially only be the 4th largest grouping behind LDems, Greens, and Independents.
They've been absolutely battered, could lose as many as 23 seats if they fail to win any of the 6 remaining.
This is literally the line the Tories were pedalling on Today this morning when it’s their own vote that’s been decimated. Labour continues to make gains. I think we can all see where your affections really lie, it comes over in all your political posts.
But I should probably remind you anyway that the Con Lib coalition got plenty of things done from 2010 and led to a succession of Tory only governments rather than Labour getting in. Things only really got bad when Cameron lost Brexit and May couldn’t implement it. Cue another election and a huge Tory majority which has been completely hamstrung by people who can’t follow their own rules or keep their dicks in their pants. Three Prime Ministers later and we’re all living hand to mouth.
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KZNSeagull
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Lindfield has gone Lib Dem apparently with the leader of MSDC losing their seat.
Full Wealden results now declared. Conservatives have lost control in an absolute battering:
Lib Dems: gained 7 (to have 13)
Greens: gained 7 (to have 11)
"Other": gained 3 (to have 10)
Con: lost 20 (to have 8) (and 1 of those was uncontested!)
Lab: gained 3 (to have 3)
Nus Ghani in trouble at the next GE despite having a 25,655 majority in 2019? Plenty of anti-Tory votes. Question will be whether the voters can get behind a single tactical "oust the Tory" candidate (LibDem?).
vegster
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- May 5, 2008
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Lying in the face of the obvious is a bedrock party policy to the Tory's.
Curtice has been suggesting the gains might not (quite) be enough to indicate Labour are on course to win a majority. But by the same token, none of the analysis that comes out of today will include potential gains that Labour can make in Scotland due to the SNP seemingly bent on throwing away their massive majority.
Sadly, I don't see the Tories losing Wealden at a GE because the answer to the question you pose is likely to be no.
Ghani received over 60% of the votes, so it'll take a massive drop AND for non-Tory voters to coalesce behind one party for there to be change. Would Labour step aside? Unlikely as they were only a few percent behind the LibDems, who realistically would be the only party likely to attract significant numbers of deserting Tory voters.
Meanwhile, next door in Lewes, my MP Maria Caulfield is toast for sure, with a majority under 2,500!
Lewes results just in. Tories lost all 18 of their seats. Greens now biggest group, just ahead of Lib Dems.
Thunder Bolt
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Motogull
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- Sep 16, 2005
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Good grief. Same answer to every question just changed the order of words. He must have spent ages learning that little script.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Tories lost Dover to Labour.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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You can add the fact that there were no council votes in London this time around. Equally, lots of council voting focuses on local issues and a huge number of independent candidates that split the vote.
There are very few independent candidates at a GE with a hope and this will coalesce and polarise the vote.
This is exactly why the tories will be relaxed about this. . . Thdey'll pull some bullshit out of the bag and still cling on because no one else will co-operate
sadly half the nation are idiotic/selfish scum With no interest in the greater good. It's all they've known for over 40 years.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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took a year and 5 months to get there.
Since1982
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Tories lose control of Mid Sussex. Lib Dems now the largest party. Conservatives held all the seats up until 2019 as I recall.
nicko31
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LD's doing very well in the blue shires.
Tories were saying they were going to lose 1000 seat in the expectation it would be 6-700, then say did better than expected. Currently on -1043, pretty much on the worse side of expectations