[Football] The Apology

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

No, I didn't. OK with you?

Perfectly

 

[Eeyore]

I know we got apologies for those.

But what i was asking for was for a list of all the teams that have been the beneficiaries of those decisions by VAR, which then led to the apologies later being issued by the PGMOL.

The three I gave were the teams that benefitted from those wrong decisions against us (Liverpool, Tottenham, Palace) but as i said, I was asking who the other teams were that benefitted?

Sorry, I see what you mean.

VAR Net Scores 2022/23

VAR apology beneficiaries (from what I can find):

Crystal Palace 3
Chelsea 1
Manchester United 1
Fulham 1
Brentford 2
Tottenham Hotspur 1
Liverpool 1

 

[slimes]

We apologies that we cheated you! Not once , not twice but seven times this game hahaha...

 

[Eeyore]

Got the shirt
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[JetsetJimbo]

Imagine how the negotiations are gonna go this summer.
"Hey Moises, Alexis, Karou, we missed out on the Champions League by less that three points and the Champions League clubs now want to nick you from us. But at least PGMOL said sorry, that's enough for you to stay, right?"

Those saying it's cost us £30m are way off the mark. It's cost us our best players next season.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Noice to see Ian Wright come out and say ALL the big decisions were wrong and Stephen Warnock agreeing the Mitoma handball was the worse one.

I thought I was going mad when the apology hadn't acknowledged that one.

Although this apology will only count as one, it should in reality be 4 separate apologies, with scope for 2 more (Perisic non-red and the first half penalty for hand ball)

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Who could possibly look at the Mitoma penalty incident from several angles in slow motion and be so incompetent that they really believed it was not a penalty?

That’s why we should seek a detail written explanation rationalising the decision made

 

[DJ NOBO]

If we’re going to have this VAR bollocks, they really need to do away with the clear and obvious crap. It just confuses matters further and gives VAR a get out and excuse for being incompetent/corrupt.

“Clear and obvious” is fine, if applied properly.
Clear and obvious sees welbeck’s goal stand, because from one angle it looks like it doesn’t hit Mac’s arm.
All it needed was for Stockley Park to see that angle, process it in their heads and say “well it’s not a clear and obvious error from the onfieldref then, so we don’t intervene“.
They made a mess of it. Which would be understandable if it was every now and again. But it’s every week.

 

[bobbysmith01]

Must admit, don't think I have been so angry 2 days after a game, since the Prosser game v Sheff United at Withdean. My take is unconscious biased by the refs and officials, for a top 6 side. Bottom line is we deserved to win that game, easy, we are a much better side than Spurs and Kane is a wonderful player but a serial cheat. We will get to
Cup final and finish 6/7th if there is a football god. The apology is worthless and done so they think they can move on, but they only apologised for one 'error' they need to look at all of them and comment back on how they made their decisions. We need to get some answers today so we can hopefully move on.

 

[Farehamseagull]

“Clear and obvious” is fine, if applied properly.
Clear and obvious sees welbeck’s goal stand, because from one angle it looks like it doesn’t hit Mac’s arm.
All it needed was for Stockley Park to see that angle, process it in their heads and say “well it’s not a clear and obvious error from the onfieldref then, so we don’t intervene“.
They made a mess of it. Which would be understandable if it was every now and again. But it’s every week.

I disagree as clear and obvious just adds another layer of unclear judgement. As we’ve seen, no one can agree on what is clear and obvious anyway. If we’re going to have VAR, it needs to make a decision on an incident, not just fudge it with this ridiculous clear and obvious rule.

As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m very anti VAR, it’s never going to work in football whoever is running it as there are too many subjective calls. We just need to accept that at times, human referee’s will make make mistakes as players and managers do but as research showed before VAR came in, the absolute majority of them were correct. VAR just muddies the water and makes the situation and arguements after even worse as well as killing some of the enjoyment of games.

 

[Robinjakarta]

Sod the apology - what I want to hear is their explanation as to 'why' the 'mistake' was made. Did VAR drop out, was the VAR ref asleep at the time. Or what? They must surely have some sort of explanation - because they cannot hide under something like 'subjective', 'missed', 'poor camera angle' or bollocks like that.

Yep. Apologies done before and graciously accepted. Inadequate now. Got to do better than that. Please, Barber/Bloom don't accept this.

 

[DJ NOBO]

I disagree as clear and obvious just adds another layer of unclear judgement. As we’ve seen, no one can agree on what is clear and obvious anyway. If we’re going to have VAR, it needs to make a decision on an incident, not just fudge it with this ridiculous clear and obvious rule.

As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m very anti VAR, it’s never going to work in football whoever is running it as there are too many subjective calls. We just need to accept that at times, human referee’s will make make mistakes as players and managers do but as research showed before VAR came in, the absolute majority of them were correct. VAR just muddies the water and makes the situation and arguements after even worse as well as killing some of the enjoyment of games.

But once var people have seen the angle showing Welbeck shot appearing to hit Mac thigh, how can it be anything other than not clear and obvious that it is a handball?
i.e. they made a stupid error by intervening from the ref’s onfield decision of no handball.

In other news, the lino ***** us over by calling handball on mitoma when play could have continued, with VAR checking it after the goal was scored.

We were ***** over on so many levels in that game, that it’s hard to keep up. It wasn’t just VAR

 

[Robinjakarta]

Cut off their goolies.

They don't have any.

 

[BRIGHT ON Q]

But once var people have seen the angle showing Welbeck shot appearing to hit Mac thigh, how can it be anything other than not clear and obvious that it is a handball?
i.e. they made a stupid error by intervening from the ref’s onfield decision of no handball.

In other news, the lino ***** us over by calling handball on mitoma when play could have continued, with VAR checking it after the goal was scored.

We were ***** over on so many levels in that game, that it’s hard to keep up. It wasn’t just VAR

Just seen that the lino played for palace in the late 80s.

 

[Baldseagull]

“Clear and obvious” is fine, if applied properly.
Clear and obvious sees welbeck’s goal stand, because from one angle it looks like it doesn’t hit Mac’s arm.
All it needed was for Stockley Park to see that angle, process it in their heads and say “well it’s not a clear and obvious error from the onfieldref then, so we don’t intervene“.
They made a mess of it. Which would be understandable if it was every now and again. But it’s every week.

Every 15 minutes on Saturday

 

[Baldseagull]

Just seen that the lino played for palace in the late 80s.

The Assistant VAR official grew up in Croydon area too, what does an assistant VAR official do anyway?

 

[Grizz]

That’s why we should seek a detail written explanation rationalising the decision made

From what I understand the club have asked for explanations for why decisions were taken of 5 events from the game, so I'm guessing they'll be covered in that.

 

[Mt.Fuji]

 

[oldboyroy]

Just a side note, for Tottenhams 1st goal wasn't there a couple of fouls that could of been blown up in build up to it or, on another day could of been given!

 

[um bongo molongo]

Apology or not, VAR is still at the route of the problem.

To me it seems the standards of refereeing have definitely dropped since VAR was introduced as most refs seem to feel there is this in-built safety net if they get something wrong, which in my view is leading to them becoming lazy and far less observant.

I've always hated VAR (even if it has sometimes gone in our favour), and I for one would prefer that the refs on the field to just make the decisions as they see them. Yes, we wouldn't have got the penalties, but would have at least had one of the 2 goals disallowed given.

When I saw the Brenford penalty given yesterday on MOTD, how the hell was the Mitoma one not given? Far more blatant. Rant over.

Oh and yes : 1 PGMOL apology in a season - careless, 2 apologies - suspicion, but now 3 APOLOGIES this season - corruption?

I hate VAR but it does seem to work broadly ok in international and European football. Which suggests the main issue isn’t the technology…