[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[rogersix]

The Tories are revolting.

that's because they have no moral integrity, it has always been like this

 

[Mental Lental]

Censured? You mean censored?

It’s oriented not orientated.

Report it to a mod.

I love how the last of the few Tory apologists left on here are the unequivocally and demonstrably thick. It paints an interesting picture as to the demographic of anyone currently still willing to put their cross next to a blue rosette.

 

[nicko31]

If Sunak had guts he'd use the 3 line whip and call their bluff once and for all

 

[TomandJerry]

The rebel count will be higher than 10 Shirley because the ERG have more than 10 members ?

 

[beorhthelm]

The rebel count will be higher than 10 Shirley because the ERG have more than 10 members ?

possibly not, recall the numbers are dropped. they were not as high as some think in the first place, held sway under low majority governments but not so much now.

 

[TomandJerry]

 

[Berty23]

Up to 13 voting against. If another 21 go then the PM will get it through on labour votes.

 

[Rdodge30]

I see you've eventually moved on from whatabout Jeremy Corbyn to whatabout Alistair Campbell and Tony Blair ? It's obviously only a matter of time before Ramsay MacDonald gets blamed for this current clusterf***

I'm still searching the Internet for a 20 year old whataboutery certificate, but you'll know when I find one

It’s a clever tactic and no mistake, state the conservative government is awful and any comparison made to Labour Governments doing similar things is routinely ridiculed as whataboutery. Seems to go down well on here but to me it’s just stifling debate to suit your own narrative

I’m certainly not blaming anyone but the current Government for the current situation

Looking forward, I wonder what the next Government’s solution will be as far as immigration policy goes? I thought Linekers intervention was an ideal situation for Sir Keir to take control of the narrative and outline how he will deal with the problem. Yet again nothing

You seem to assume that I am a Tory when you post on here. I can assure you I want a Labour government. However I’m not from the hate the tories eat the rich etc 4legs good 2legs bad set.

I will continue to criticise Sir Keir whilst he continues to act like a mealy mouthed leader of the opposition instead of like a Prime Minister in waiting. If he’s just going to criticise the Government without offering solutions he’d be better suited on here!! How do you think he handled the Lineker issue?

For the record, I voted remain as well. I lost, I had a beer, took a shower and moved on, years ago

 

[rogersix]

It’s a clever tactic and no mistake, state the conservative government is awful and any comparison made to Labour Governments doing similar things is routinely ridiculed as whataboutery. Seems to go down well on here but to me it’s just stifling debate to suit your own narrative

I’m certainly not blaming anyone but the current Government for the current situation

Looking forward, I wonder what the next Government’s solution will be as far as immigration policy goes? I thought Linekers intervention was an ideal situation for Sir Keir to take control of the narrative and outline how he will deal with the problem. Yet again nothing

You seem to assume that I am a Tory when you post on here. I can assure you I want a Labour government. However I’m not from the hate the tories eat the rich etc 4legs good 2legs bad set.

I will continue to criticise Sir Keir whilst he continues to act like a mealy mouthed leader of the opposition instead of like a Prime Minister in waiting. If he’s just going to criticise the Government without offering solutions he’d be better suited on here!! How do you think he handled the Lineker issue?

For the record, I voted remain as well. I lost, I had a beer, took a shower and moved on, years ago

you do indulge in a lot of deflection and false equivalence for a centrist,

out of interest, what was your previous username?

 

[Rdodge30]

you do indulge in a lot of deflection and false equivalence for a centrist,

out of interest, what was your previous username?

I’ve never had a user name on here before now.

No false equivalence.

I was furious that Corbyn was elected leader and rightly apportion blame for contributing to Boris election win

Boris is a narcissist. He has a massive superiority complex and genuinely believes that rules and laws do not apply to him because he is a superior being. I watched him in front of select committee before either when he was mayor or certainly concerning events when he was mayor. He is an absolute master of long winded responses completely evading answeothe questions followed by repeated explanations of how he has already answered the question. I can’t watch any more of it but comfortably predict nothing will come of this hearing…. Picture Blair answering questions on Iraq and the outcome will be the same

 

[MJsGhost]

Looking forward, I wonder what the next Government’s solution will be as far as immigration policy goes? I thought Linekers intervention was an ideal situation for Sir Keir to take control of the narrative and outline how he will deal with the problem. Yet again nothing

Before we can think about what a solution might be, can you help us out with what the 'problem' with immigration policy is? What's the exact problem that needs fixing?

Thanks

 

[Rdodge30]

Before we can think about what a solution might be, can you help us out with what the 'problem' with immigration policy is? What's the exact problem that needs fixing?

Thanks

Your question would be better aimed at Sir Keir, if he doesn’t think there’s a problem then no solution will be required.

Rightly or wrongly 52% of the country feel there is too much immigration so it will certainly yet again have an influence on the next GE.

The current situation for dealing with migrants and refugees in this country is often (quite rightly) referred to as a shitshow on here. The whole situation needs improvement, processing asylum seekers, deporting illegals, addressing housing and employment (not building holding camps or accommodating in hotels)

It seems to me there are many many issues that need dealing with, I’m not qualified at all to highlight what the problems are or what the solutions may be. However I’m not running for Prime Minister and I don’t think it’s particularly unreasonable for me to expect the man that is running for PM to have some sort of grasp on the matter

 

[MJsGhost]

Your question would be better aimed at Sir Keir, if he doesn’t think there’s a problem then no solution will be required.

Rightly or wrongly 52% of the country feel there is too much immigration so it will certainly yet again have an influence on the next GE.

The current situation for dealing with migrants and refugees in this country is often (quite rightly) referred to as a shitshow on here. The whole situation needs improvement, processing asylum seekers, deporting illegals, addressing housing and employment (not building holding camps or accommodating in hotels)

It seems to me there are many many issues that need dealing with, I’m not qualified at all to highlight what the problems are or what the solutions may be. However I’m not running for Prime Minister and I don’t think it’s particularly unreasonable for me to expect the man that is running for PM to have some sort of grasp on the matter

But you have no grasp of the 'problem' yourself, or opinion on it at all?

 

[Gwylan]

It’s a clever tactic and no mistake, state the conservative government is awful and any comparison made to Labour Governments doing similar things is routinely ridiculed as whataboutery. Seems to go down well on here but to me it’s just stifling debate to suit your own narrative

But that's not what you were doing: you said that because the Tories were in hock to the ERG and promoting their members, Labour could do the same with the SCG - even though that group was completely sidelined and Starmer had excised all connections to the SCG from senior positions in the party. So, rather doing similar things, Labour was doing the complete opposite. As I said, textbook whataboutery.

 

[TomandJerry]

The rebellion is swelling

 

[worthingweird]

But that's not what you were doing: you said that because the Tories were in hock to the ERG and promoting their members, Labour could do the same with the SCG - even though that group was completely sidelined and Starmer had excised all connections to the SCG from senior positions in the party. So, rather doing similar things, Labour was doing the complete opposite. As I said, textbook whataboutery.

Whatabout writing a manifesto perhaps...

 

[rogersix]

I’ve never had a user name on here before now.

No false equivalence.

I was furious that Corbyn was elected leader and rightly apportion blame for contributing to Boris election win

Boris is a narcissist. He has a massive superiority complex and genuinely believes that rules and laws do not apply to him because he is a superior being. I watched him in front of select committee before either when he was mayor or certainly concerning events when he was mayor. He is an absolute master of long winded responses completely evading answeothe questions followed by repeated explanations of how he has already answered the question. I can’t watch any more of it but comfortably predict nothing will come of this hearing…. Picture Blair answering questions on Iraq and the outcome will be the same

the end of days for democracy if bungle lies his way out of this, it's all getting a bit serious now,

when will the high tide of this brexit cult insanity begin to ebb?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[rogersix]

Your question would be better aimed at Sir Keir, if he doesn’t think there’s a problem then no solution will be required.

Rightly or wrongly 52% of the country feel there is too much immigration so it will certainly yet again have an influence on the next GE.

The current situation for dealing with migrants and refugees in this country is often (quite rightly) referred to as a shitshow on here. The whole situation needs improvement, processing asylum seekers, deporting illegals, addressing housing and employment (not building holding camps or accommodating in hotels)

It seems to me there are many many issues that need dealing with, I’m not qualified at all to highlight what the problems are or what the solutions may be. However I’m not running for Prime Minister and I don’t think it’s particularly unreasonable for me to expect the man that is running for PM to have some sort of grasp on the matter

the entire nation has to wait until the tories call the election, and then all the relevant parties will produce a manifesto, (that's where they write down all the answers)

 

[Guinness Boy]

It’s a clever tactic and no mistake, state the conservative government is awful and any comparison made to Labour Governments doing similar things is routinely ridiculed as whataboutery. Seems to go down well on here but to me it’s just stifling debate to suit your own narrative

I’m certainly not blaming anyone but the current Government for the current situation

Looking forward, I wonder what the next Government’s solution will be as far as immigration policy goes? I thought Linekers intervention was an ideal situation for Sir Keir to take control of the narrative and outline how he will deal with the problem. Yet again nothing

You seem to assume that I am a Tory when you post on here. I can assure you I want a Labour government. However I’m not from the hate the tories eat the rich etc 4legs good 2legs bad set.

I will continue to criticise Sir Keir whilst he continues to act like a mealy mouthed leader of the opposition instead of like a Prime Minister in waiting. If he’s just going to criticise the Government without offering solutions he’d be better suited on here!! How do you think he handled the Lineker issue?

For the record, I voted remain as well. I lost, I had a beer, took a shower and moved on, years ago

Your big takeaway from the Lineker affair was that Labour should have taken control of the narrative?

GL was literally criticising Government policy, Government wording and Government tone and being hounded out of a job by the people he was critiquing.

Starmer had already responded, pointing out (correctly IMO) that the policy is unworkable and Sunak was electioneering.