[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[The Clamp]

OK. This isn't directly the government's fault but what the hell?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...c-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears

The BBC has been so cowed by the government that it daren't broadcast uncomfortable facts on terrestrial TV. The episode containing facts about species depletion in the UK will be relegated to iPlayer. They're so scared that they're sidelining Attenborough?

Education now appears to be too uncomfortable for the very right wing. This is some terrifying shit.

The BBC has been compromised by Tory involvement.

 

[Stat Brother]

OK. This isn't directly the government's fault but what the hell?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...c-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears

The BBC has been so cowed by the government that it daren't broadcast uncomfortable facts on terrestrial TV. The episode containing facts about species depletion in the UK will be relegated to iPlayer. They're so scared that they're sidelining Attenborough?

Education now appears to be too uncomfortable for the very right wing. This is some terrifying shit.

In 50 years time there's only going to be one question asked:-

"What the f**k was wrong with you people?"

 

[Acker79]

 

[Machiavelli]

OK. This isn't directly the government's fault but what the hell?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...c-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears

The BBC has been so cowed by the government that it daren't broadcast uncomfortable facts on terrestrial TV. The episode containing facts about species depletion in the UK will be relegated to iPlayer. They're so scared that they're sidelining Attenborough?

Education now appears to be too uncomfortable for the very right wing. This is some terrifying shit.

Yes, sidelining Attenborough. He's only been with them for ... what is it ... seven decades. And now he's deemed too dangerous for the British public.

 

[Machiavelli]

Hmmm. Who's next?

 

[Bob!]

Hmmm. Who's next?

Fiona Bruce to step down from presenting Question Time?
No, thought not.

 

[Stat Brother]

The other day I was in the department, at work that listens to Radio 2, with Jeremy Vine at the helm.

Some racist had text in to say:-

'If they can stop the boat people invading I will vote Tory next time'.


Hell and handcarts - we are rotten to the core.

 

[Wokeworrier]

4% was the number of successful returns under Dublin agreement in 2018. 6 times more claimant came into UK under this scheme. this is not the reason for more migrants, have to get here first. they are not making decisions to come here, or Germany or France based on this technicality.

Indeed, the idea that any migrant travelling across numerous safe European countries to reach the UK or people trafficking gangs, would be deterred by a tiny chance of being returned via the Dublin agreement is laughable. Even.more amusing, In 2018
there were 1,215 transfers into the UK under the Dublin Regulation. There were 209 transfers out of the UK under the Dublin Regulation.

Unfortunately some people are obsessed with blaming the Tories and/or Brexit for absolutely everything ...

 

[rogersix]

OK. This isn't directly the government's fault but what the hell?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...c-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears

The BBC has been so cowed by the government that it daren't broadcast uncomfortable facts on terrestrial TV. The episode containing facts about species depletion in the UK will be relegated to iPlayer. They're so scared that they're sidelining Attenborough?

Education now appears to be too uncomfortable for the very right wing. This is some terrifying shit.

i was just thinking that myself, is this silly or scary?

did the beeb ask the government, or did they just think, it might upset someone, so just in case...........

members of the government, unable to accept reality? scary shit indeed

 

[Baldseagull]

4% was the number of successful returns under Dublin agreement in 2018. 6 times more claimant came into UK under this scheme. this is not the reason for more migrants, have to get here first. they are not making decisions to come here, or Germany or France based on this technicality.

Since then though, no need to choose, you can try in France or Germany for asylum, and if that fails, get to the UK and try again.

 

[beorhthelm]

Since then though, no need to choose, you can try in France or Germany for asylum, and if that fails, get to the UK and try again.

yeah thats fair point. though wonder if they fail there what likelihood they have success here.

 

[Baldseagull]

Indeed, the idea that any migrant travelling across numerous safe European countries to reach the UK or people trafficking gangs, would be deterred by a tiny chance of being returned via the Dublin agreement is laughable. Even.more amusing, In 2018
there were 1,215 transfers into the UK under the Dublin Regulation. There were 209 transfers out of the UK under the Dublin Regulation.

Unfortunately some people are obsessed with blaming the Tories and/or Brexit for absolutely everything ...

The Dublin agreement gives weight to an asylum seeker in the EU having that application go to a country where they have family connections, it also makes it clear that an asylum claimant cannot apply in multiple EU states. So yes, whilst we were in the agreement, it allowed some applicants to be sent here under the family ties rule, but now we are out of the agreement, it means that anyone that has a failed claim elsewhere in the EU, can apply in the UK if they can get here, and we must now process that claim.
Unfortunately, some people, like that Johnny Crumplin Football Genius bloke that used to post on here, are too dense to understand this sort of reasoning. Like thinking that because we were financially a net contributor to the EU, coming out would make us richer, without factoring in all the other indirect economic benefits.

 

[Baldseagull]

yeah thats fair point. though wonder if they fail there what likelihood they have success here.

A higher percentage of claims are successful here than in France, I don't know the reasons for this. Maybe we have criteria easier to meet, or maybe applicants that are risking their lives to get here are generally more likely to be genuine, because you are not going to risk your life if you think it likely you will fail in the application.

 

[Audax]

that seems at odds with the narrative the migrant comes to UK because family/language/cultural links. now its because they've been told the relative merits of each countries asylum process. does this mean the policies to deport to 3rd countries, make their claim automatically fail are valid and will work, because the smugglers will pass on this information? i dont think so, but thats the inference.

Not at odds at all. Both can be true at the same time. Refugee with ties in UK starts trying to work out how to get here, is introduced to smugglers, who then sell the boats route.

Remember here that those coming on the boats have been unable to get here via other means, mostly due to not having documentation that UK border staff would accept. Hence the people smugglers coming into play.

 

[AlbionBro]

"wasn't very smart ?"

He's a multi millionaire, very few sports people break through into media and as as successful (and talented) as him.

The reality is, is that if he did happen to lose the MOTD day job, he'd be instantly employed by another broadcaster on a greatly increased wage.

I think he is a Clarkson type of character, loves the attention and is building his profile, many won't like this and apparently the BBC has been flooded with emails calling for him to step aside.
It was always going to go this way. Some inside the BBC say he is damaging our impartial brand, whether he has a contract or not the public don't like it.
This will rumble on, I think perhaps he should say sorry and be back in by Saturday and it can all calm down.
Personally I am not bothered I would prefer to hear more about Keir as he is getting lost, I fear he is not making the headway we'd like at the moment.

 

[nicko31]

Yes, sidelining Attenborough. He's only been with them for ... what is it ... seven decades. And now he's deemed too dangerous for the British public.

A new low, the bloke for me is one of the greatest Britons that has ever lived

 

[DataPoint]

Hi, history MA with a specialism in Twentieth Century Europe here. Do you seriously think the Germans went from 0 to 100 overnight on this issue? Because if not, your post makes no sense. Literally nobody has claimed the Government is executing a holocaust. What they’re saying is the demonising and “othering” not just of refugees but of all sorts of targets has echoes of the early stages of the process that led to a very dark place.

Which it does. Take it from a historian.

Thanks for the offer - but I'd rather take it from the reality of countless film clips of the 1930's - why don't you - the holocaust came later in the 1940's? We're not stupid -Lineker's inference was that the goverment where acting like the Nazis - and morons are cheering him for that distortion.

 

[Gwylan]

In 50 years time there's only going to be one question asked:-

"What the f**k was wrong with you people?"

In these dark times

They won’t say: when the walnut tree shook in the wind

But: when the house-painter crushed the workers.

They won’t say: when the child skimmed a flat stone

across the rapids

But: when the great wars were being prepared for.

They won’t say: when the woman came into the room

But: when the great powers joined forces against the

workers.

However, they won’t say: the times were dark

Rather: why were their poets silent?
(Bertolt Brecht)

 

[BadFish]

That is f***ing frightening.

If I were there there is no way I would be watching it.

In the name of all that is reasonable, in the name of free speech, in the name of standing with someone who expressed his opinion. I would not watch.

A step too far and a step closer to 1930 Germany.

Seriously, from the outside looking in and taking into account my biases and the fact that I have been listening to way too much James O Brien recently. Please reassure me that the UK is actually as f***ed up as it appears to be?

 

[BadFish]

I have scoffed and laughed at those screaming cancel culture at every turn and here it is playing out before our eyes.

Where are they all in this instance?