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[Albion] VAR decision on Estupiñán goal



Springal

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Get the refs to face the cameras after the game to explain their decisions (Note: the on pitch ref always makes the final decision so could have asked to see the pictures) like managers and players do.
Did Sanchez do any post match press last night ?
 






Hugo Rune

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At the time, I was so upset with that goal being overturned by VAR at Selhurst. The initial celebration was unreal. I reasoned with myself that VAR must be right on this one and that I just needed to suck it up.

If I’d known then what I know now, I’d have walked out, I’d have been inconsolable. I stopped watching F1 because the ineptitude of the officials was affecting World Championships. I’m seriously close to binning off football too. I’m sick of it.

The hopes and dreams of all of us Brighton fans, investing so much time, money and most importantly, emotion and loyalty into following the team, only for some twonk on VAR missing the last Palace defender and taking a critical goal away from us.

I don’t know when I’ll have the confidence to celebrate a goal again knowing that VAR can’t be trusted on any level.
 


Deadly Danson

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One other thing on this was the length of time it took to rule the goal out. They actually took an age to draw the wrong line! I'd have a modicum more sympathy if they had 20 seconds to come to a decision (which I believe is the maximum amount of time any decision should take) but it took probably 2 mins to make this glaring error with not one of the people involved saying, "oi, you've drawn the line from the wrong player". Very fishy.
 


Springal

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No. RdeZ did. Didn’t you see him?
Yes. But I don’t see that RDZ did much wrong. Sanchez definitely did, MacAllister also fairly culpable.

Kind of irrelevant anyway because the referee would just say I trust the team, they made the decision for me and it looks like a mistake. Net result is the same all round
 






Bold Seagull

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The technology is very limited - there has been no allowance for this.

They’re using the technology as if there is no margin or error in it - take the Harvey Barnes goal yesterday, a frame before he’s onside.

It just isn’t that accurate - the decision on which frame the ball has left the passing player, where the line is drawn from, thickness of the lines, detail of the still image.

Something needs to be done as you cannot use a fallible system as if it is infallible.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

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At the time, I was so upset with that goal being overturned by VAR at Selhurst. The initial celebration was unreal. I reasoned with myself that VAR must be right on this one and that I just needed to suck it up.

If I’d known then what I know now, I’d have walked out, I’d have been inconsolable. I stopped watching F1 because the ineptitude of the officials was affecting World Championships. I’m seriously close to binning off football too. I’m sick of it.

The hopes and dreams of all of us Brighton fans, investing so much time, money and most importantly, emotion and loyalty into following the team, only for some twonk on VAR missing the last Palace defender and taking a critical goal away from us.

I don’t know when I’ll have the confidence to celebrate a goal again knowing that VAR can’t be trusted on any level.
Yep. That decision is a disgrace. The clear blue daylight rule would have meant the VAR check would have taken 5 seconds.

Why don't they try the same rubric for offside the same as the rubric for a penalty: the ref can be asked to review their decision only when there is a clear and obvious error. That would mean clear blue daylight.

Checking every goal for any possible infringement by anyone ever is madness.
 




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The technology is very limited - there has been no allowance for this.

They’re using the technology as if there is no margin or error in it - take the Harvey Barnes goal yesterday, a frame before he’s onside.

It just isn’t that accurate - the decision on which frame the ball has left the passing player, where the line is drawn from, thickness of the lines, detail of the still image.

Something needs to be done as you cannot use a fallible system as if it is infallible.
Precisely. Precision is meaningless if there is a lack of accuracy.
 


Triggaaar

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If I’d known then what I know now, I’d have walked out, I’d have been inconsolable. I stopped watching F1 because the ineptitude of the officials was affecting World Championships.
Yeah I haven't watched a single part of a race since 'that race'.

Football has been nowhere near as bad though. They are messing up the game, but at least goal line technology is working, and VAR does fix some bad decisions.
 


Javeaseagull

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Did the linesman signal offside? I honestly can’t remember. If he didn’t raise his flag however late in the day why do they have to search for a reason to write off goals?
 








Thunder Bolt

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Yeah I haven't watched a single part of a race since 'that race'.

Football has been nowhere near as bad though. They are messing up the game, but at least goal line technology is working, and VAR does fix some bad decisions.
Sheffield United will dispute the goal line technology working well.
 






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Unfortunately there's nothing we can do, and VAR is here to stay.

The only positive is that it's another piece of evidence to change how VAR works.

I fully believe they should go full 'clear and obvious', no lines drawn or extended breaks in play. If someone on a monitor can't see something seriously obvious with one or two replays then just play on. Should be no need to stop play; goals should be allowed/disallowed just as quickly as goal line technology.

Okay, it won't be 1000% exact, but we can't eliminate human error anyway as proven yesterday.
Yes, this is probably what should happen. If it has taken a few of us a few minutes this morning to elaborate a simple rubric that would certainly reduce the number of egregious errors by a high percentage* why can't these clowns do the same? They fixed the mad handball rubric fairly easily....albeit that too at least half a season.

*Even with clear blue daylight there may be occasions when there is only a millimeter of clear blue daylight, but statistically the chance of this is tiny compared with the 'bodies clearly overlapping' scenario and the 'clearly not overlapping' scenario.
 


Uh_huh_him

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One other thing on this was the length of time it took to rule the goal out. They actually took an age to draw the wrong line! I'd have a modicum more sympathy if they had 20 seconds to come to a decision (which I believe is the maximum amount of time any decision should take) but it took probably 2 mins to make this glaring error with not one of the people involved saying, "oi, you've drawn the line from the wrong player". Very fishy.
It seemed to take an age to tell us that VAR was checking and then an age to check.

As you say it's bizarre.

I often have to do some analysis as part of my job.
When I make an error, more often than not, I spot it quickly, because the data doesn't make sense.

Surely this was the case here, the lines look about a foot apart, but clearly he wasn't that far offside.
But if they missed the mistake, why did it take so long to rule it out?
I just don't understand how they didn't clock their mistake, given all the time it took.
 






Triggaaar

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Sheffield United will dispute the goal line technology working well.
I'm having a mind blank, what happened? Prior to goal line technology Arsenal were awarded a goal when they completely missed the goal, and one of their players tried to stop it going out for a goal kick - wasn't that against Sheffield Unt?
 


Acker79

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I'm having a mind blank, what happened? Prior to goal line technology Arsenal were awarded a goal when they completely missed the goal, and one of their players tried to stop it going out for a goal kick - wasn't that against Sheffield Unt?

Villa would have been relegated if they had one less point that season.

Edit to add: I think Bournemouth went down instead?
 


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