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[Politics] Protest about Benfield Valley Development



Guinness Boy

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I hope it gets built :thumbsup:
Interesting. Doesn't take a massive brain to work out that getting rid of greenbelt space will remove CO2 producing plants, that a new housing development will add to pollution in the atmosphere and that people who currently walk the dog or (foot) golf there will have to drive to a new location. Sounds bad for the environment to me.

What's your attitude to climate change, and where do you think that puts you in terms of the attitudes of the generation you identify with?
 




Husty

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Interesting. Doesn't take a massive brain to work out that getting rid of greenbelt space will remove CO2 producing plants, that a new housing development will add to pollution in the atmosphere and that people who currently walk the dog or (foot) golf there will have to drive to a new location. Sounds bad for the environment to me.

What's your attitude to climate change, and where do you think that puts you in terms of the attitudes of the generation you identify with?
Well, I have sufficient brain capacity to realise that climate change is caused by massive, societal level behaviours and outputs. Such as; this country’s obsession with gas boilers, the Tory governments appalling record on installing insulation in homes and more globally the lack of incentives for nations like Brazil to sufficiently protect their vital rainforests.

None of this will be changed whether a few hundred homes get built on a bit of scrubland in Brighton…

In addition, I would say that it would be better to build more housing close to areas with already strong public transport links than the alternative, which is yet more soulless housing estates on the outskirts of London satellite towns, where car use is the sole option.

I also have my own personal doubts about the current housing system’s ability to absorb many more years of massive under-supply, and I doubt that the sort of societal change that might potentially bring about would do the environment much good either.
 


Guinness Boy

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Well, I have sufficient brain capacity to realise that climate change is caused by massive, societal level behaviours and outputs. Such as; this country’s obsession with gas boilers, the Tory governments appalling record on installing insulation in homes and more globally the lack of incentives for nations like Brazil to sufficiently protect their vital rainforests.

None of this will be changed whether a few hundred homes get built on a bit of scrubland in Brighton…

In addition, I would say that it would be better to build more housing close to areas with already strong public transport links than the alternative, which is yet more soulless housing estates on the outskirts of London satellite towns, where car use is the sole option.

I also have my own personal doubts about the current housing system’s ability to absorb many more years of massive under-supply, and I doubt that the sort of societal change that might potentially bring about would do the environment much good either.
That's not what your fellow young people are saying. They're busy pouring milk out of Waitrose and gluing themselves to petrol stations. Every little action counts apparently.

Traitor.
 


Husty

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That's not what your fellow young people are saying. They're busy pouring milk out of Waitrose and gluing themselves to petrol stations. Every little action counts apparently.

Traitor.
Could be worse, I could be a NIMBY!

Now that would be embarrassing
 








brightn'ove

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Wherever new housing is proposed, there are plenty of people (often with perfectly reasonable reasons) who will argue that the proposed location is 'the wrong place'. Similarly, most that object to new housing have a home of their own.
The only way house prices will fall to a level that the ordinary first time buyer can afford to buy will be if supply exceeds (or at least is in balance to) demand. But then if you own a home it is in your interest to stop new housing so a lack of supply continues to push up prices and thus increase the value of your own home.
It's a dichotomy that will never be solved, hence governments (and all parties appear to agree on this) are forcing local authorities to build more housing.
Unfortunately this will, of course, always be in 'the wrong place'.
I'm sure there were people who objected to the Hangleton expansion itself way back when. Brighton & Hove needs houses.
 


Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
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Sandwiched between the sea and the South Downs. Houses need to be built somewhere? Already ridiculously cramped and overpriced.
We could just scrap the planning system and let developers build where they like as an answer?
 




beorhthelm

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We could just scrap the planning system and let developers build where they like as an answer?
possibly. most of places like Brighton, Hove the other towns along the coast were built before the current strict planning. build, or build up or build smaller. or see people have to move out the area because there is nothing spare.
 


Westdene Seagull

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Good turn out Westdene - shame about the rain. Dawn Barnett and Peter Kyle sharing a platform, common goals!
I was pleasantly surprised ! Nice to see Peter Kyle there - knew Dawn would be as she's been fighting te Boon brothers for years. Amusing to see her walking the muddy path in heals - tough old bird who takes no prisoners - I have a lot of time for her and the help she provides local residents. Sorry - should have arranged something to identify each other and I'd have come and said hello.
 


The Antikythera Mechanism

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Having experienced a huge volume of new houses being built on green spaces near me, in effect, joining up villages, the argument that the building of new homes is needed for local people is a fallacy. Apart from the affordable element which has to go to local people, the vast majority of private sales are to people moving out of London. The same will happen at Benfield Valley.
 




Brovion

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Sandwiched between the sea and the South Downs. Houses need to be built somewhere? Already ridiculously cramped and overpriced.
Indeed. And it's keeping development south of the bypass rather than letting it creep further north. I'm not saying I'm in favour of the development but I'm certainly not opposed - and after the battle we had to get a football ground built my default position for any development in Brighton and Hove is to automatically sympathise with the developers.
 


Brovion

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Having experienced a huge volume of new houses being built on green spaces near me, in effect, joining up villages, the argument that the building of new homes is needed for local people is a fallacy. Apart from the affordable element which has to go to local people, the vast majority of private sales are to people moving out of London. The same will happen at Benfield Valley.
Yes. But as you say new houses in Sussex aren't for 'local people', rather they're for 'people' period. Despite this and my earlier post I DO have misgivings about the amount of domestic properties being built in Sussex. I was over the Littlehampton/Angmering way at the weekend and the amount of new houses being built there is unbelievable. And my son's neighbourhood in Shoreham is being swamped by new blocks of flats - and it was only three years ago that his was a new place! (And no, the infrastructure, especially the A259, can't cope).

However what is the solution? Go all 'Royston Vasey' and say that Sussex is a 'local place for local people' and we don't want any newcomers here, be they Londoners, immigrants or whatever. Go and build/live somewhere else.
 


The Antikythera Mechanism

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Yes. But as you say new houses in Sussex aren't for 'local people', rather they're for 'people' period. Despite this and my earlier post I DO have misgivings about the amount of domestic properties being built in Sussex. I was over the Littlehampton/Angmering way at the weekend and the amount of new houses being built there is unbelievable. And my son's neighbourhood in Shoreham is being swamped by new blocks of flats - and it was only three years ago that his was a new place! (And no, the infrastructure, especially the A259, can't cope).

However what is the solution? Go all 'Royston Vasey' and say that Sussex is a 'local place for local people' and we don't want any newcomers here, be they Londoners, immigrants or whatever. Go and build/live somewhere else.
My point was simply that Developers and Councils spin the story that they are building on green spaces to provide additional housing needed in the area, wherever that may be, but the properties are, in the main, bought by people moving from more affluent areas,
 




Husty

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Having experienced a huge volume of new houses being built on green spaces near me, in effect, joining up villages, the argument that the building of new homes is needed for local people is a fallacy. Apart from the affordable element which has to go to local people, the vast majority of private sales are to people moving out of London. The same will happen at Benfield Valley.
Of course new homes wont be for local people... the local people already have homes there... that is what makes them local in the first place? It is an utterly, utterly stupid argument for not building homes. More NIMBY-ist twaddle.
 


BN41Albion

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(And no, the infrastructure, especially the A259, can't cope).
This is what gets me more than anything when it comes to all the development going on. No-one gives a shit about the infrastructure which as you say already can't cope. It's unforgivable that so much development is allowed in places such as along the a259 which is already beyond capacity. Yes we need new houses but where the f*** are the new roads etc to go with all the new houses? Utterly infuriating
 


Dec 29, 2011
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Having experienced a huge volume of new houses being built on green spaces near me, in effect, joining up villages, the argument that the building of new homes is needed for local people is a fallacy. Apart from the affordable element which has to go to local people, the vast majority of private sales are to people moving out of London. The same will happen at Benfield Valley.
Nail on head. We have a housing crisis in the UK that could be solved by preventing single families/corporations from owning hundreds of houses and snapping up any new houses that come to market.

We are here fighting with each other about a handful of houses on our local green space when the insanely wealthy are laughing to the bank. It's time for a real change to the housing in this country.
 


Dec 29, 2011
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Of course new homes wont be for local people... the local people already have homes there... that is what makes them local in the first place? It is an utterly, utterly stupid argument for not building homes. More NIMBY-ist twaddle.
There are plenty of families living together who would like to split up, I'm one of them actually. But as a single person on a decent wage it's almost impossible for me to get on the property ladder without 1) living at home for 5 years to save or 2) getting help from parents with money. The housing market is completely f***ed in this country, and I can't see any major parties offering solutions.
 




Wardy's twin

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Early this year a survey showed there were 1500 homes in Brighton & Hove which had been empty for at least 6 months . Now clearly some of these will be probate issues but i'd guess 750-1000 are just empty. These need to be investigated and MADE available before we just build new ones. Next is the brown sites that can be redeveloped. Then we need to look at the type of housing built so that we develop affordable housing for our young , not the rich who just get richer. Not only should they be affordable they should (certainly 75% of them) should be targeted to local people who must then sell on to local people.
 


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Wherever new housing is proposed, there are plenty of people (often with perfectly reasonable reasons) who will argue that the proposed location is 'the wrong place'. Similarly, most that object to new housing have a home of their own.
The only way house prices will fall to a level that the ordinary first time buyer can afford to buy will be if supply exceeds (or at least is in balance to) demand. But then if you own a home it is in your interest to stop new housing so a lack of supply continues to push up prices and thus increase the value of your own home.
It's a dichotomy that will never be solved, hence governments (and all parties appear to agree on this) are forcing local authorities to build more housing.
Unfortunately this will, of course, always be in 'the wrong place'.
There are plenty of families living together who would like to split up, I'm one of them actually. But as a single person on a decent wage it's almost impossible for me to get on the property ladder without 1) living at home for 5 years to save or 2) getting help from parents with money. The housing market is completely f***ed in this country, and I can't see any major parties offering solutions.
The NHF (housing associations) state we need 340,000 brand new homes a year. 3.6m households have some form of housing need, many in awful situations. Yet the UK see completion of just 200,000 new completions a year. Combined with exponential price growth, homes here cost 6x that in 1995.

It’s THE issue of our times, but rarely gets a mention compared to taxes, the NHS, domestic bills.

8.5m folk have unmet housing needs.
 
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