Blocking immigration vans, for or against?

[Paulie Gualtieri]

WOW!!

There must be some kind of ‘ism’ for that.

Chumorachy?


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[carlzeiss]

Given that your very own link reports a 'group of people sitting down'....my, that's a bit of an over reaction!

What about the poor ordinary voters of Southwark who were not among the tiny number sitting down?

I presume you'd burn down your neighbour's house if they'd slightly annoyed you.

Didn't occur to me to burn their house down , clamping their car caused a big enough rumpus

 

[The Clamp]

WOW!!

There must be some kind of ‘ism’ for that.

As a former public school boy I have to say I agree with Thunder Bolt, to a degree. The worst problems we are experiencing now stem from the behaviour of former public school boys. And girls.

 

[BadFish]

you may get my drift , i think you do , the whole issue is now weaponised , it's a huge drain on finances but the weapons keep being sent to conflict zones , there are brown envelopes and dark web bank accounts by the hundreds but at the end of the day it's the pleb in the street who pays , thats my angle , i don't have a problem with the migrants as such but the system that creates them is 100% corrupt and ****ing wrong.

So your reason for not wanting to help others who are victims of the corruption of world is because of the corruption of the world?

Sorry but this makes no sense to me.

Surely if you recognise that these people are put in their shitty situation because of the decisions of powerful people across the world you would want to help them? Especially given that those corrupt and powerful people are the same people who make decisions on your behalf that affect you.

You turn your back on those people purely because you were lucky enough to be born in a place where the effect of corruption is less than in the place they were born. And then they have the gall to try and get to the same place as you.

I had you down as someone who is well-traveled, you've seen this divide first hand. Yet here you are lapping up and passing on the narrative of the corrupt and ****ed up people who are causing this shit in the first place. Who do you think is weaponising the issue, and why? It certainly isn't the refugees.

You need to give your head a wobble old mate.

 

[BadFish]

that particular ethos has been put forward numerous times but seemingly just bounces off the never will say yeah , donut brigade .......these guys have basically travelled plus/minus 4000 miles over land and sea with the express intention of getting to England , you really have to ask yourself why is that ..?? Athens , Rome , Barca, Madrid , Turin , Hamburg or Berlin all perfectly "safe " locations but no .......it appears that it has to be England ...??

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.REFG?most_recent_value_desc=true

Well if you look at the statistics the UK is 30th on the list of where refugees end up. (Australia 51st).

to look at it another way:

86%. The proportion of refugees worldwide who live in low-income countries neighbouring their country of origin. A very small proportion choose to travel to Europe. The UK is home to just 1% of the 26.4 million refugees who have been forcibly displaced from their home country across the world. Around half of the world’s refugees are under the age of 18

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/27/asylum-in-the-uk-the-key-numbers

So 1% of the world's refugees have "travelled plus/minus 4000 miles over land and sea with the express intention of getting to England" with 86% of refugees ending up in neighbouring countries. I would agree that you have to ask yourself the question: why is this number so small? Money, fitness, luck, the danger of trying to get this far. I am sure there is a provided narrative by those that want to weaponise this issue? Are we to believe that they are economic migrants (surely they can afford to travel those distances in an easier and safer way?) or fake refugees? I am incredibly skeptical of the narratives provided by the mouth pieces of the governments that have caused this crisis in the first place.

I feel the same about the narrative that refugees are causing so many issues for the UK. While looking for information for the above I found this:

Are there many refugees and asylum seekers in the UK?
No. According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), by the end of 2018 there were 126,720 refugees, 45,244 pending asylum cases and 125 stateless persons in the UK.
That’s around one quarter of a percent (0.26%) of the UK’s total population.

https://www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/

I feel like it is going to be hard for such a small fraction of the population to cause all the economic and social issue that everyone complains about. Unless they went to the very best public schools of course.

 

[rogersix]

WOW!!

There must be some kind of ‘ism’ for that.

"realism"

 

[wellquickwoody]

As a former public school boy I have to say I agree with Thunder Bolt, to a degree. The worst problems we are experiencing now stem from the behaviour of former public school boys. And girls.

But I assume that even you would concede that not ALL of the problems are the fault of the public school system?

"realism"

Or a new offence of weird stalkerism in your case. Just odd, no, make that freaky.

 

[The Clamp]

But I assume that even you would concede that not ALL of the problems are the fault of the public school system?



Or a new offence of weird stalkerism in your case. Just odd, no, make that freaky.

Yes. Just the worst, current ones.

 

[sydney]

So your reason for not wanting to help others who are victims of the corruption of world is because of the corruption of the world?

Sorry but this makes no sense to me.

Surely if you recognise that these people are put in their shitty situation because of the decisions of powerful people across the world you would want to help them? Especially given that those corrupt and powerful people are the same people who make decisions on your behalf that affect you.

You turn your back on those people purely because you were lucky enough to be born in a place where the effect of corruption is less than in the place they were born. And then they have the gall to try and get to the same place as you.

I had you down as someone who is well-traveled, you've seen this divide first hand. Yet here you are lapping up and passing on the narrative of the corrupt and ****ed up people who are causing this shit in the first place. Who do you think is weaponising the issue, and why? It certainly isn't the refugees.

You need to give your head a wobble old mate.

we are all being had mate , these problems are being caused by evil humans and we will all pay , there is no way out .......don't expect me to like it.

the UK will send 3 billion litres of petrol to America this year , Biden has decided to cut oil production...?? what's all that about..?? they pay just over half what you pay so why send it there...?? you will say that's not relevant to this conversation , i say it is .....they will play the tune and we will all dance , we have no choice other than to revolt.

 

[BadFish]

we are all being had mate , these problems are being caused by evil humans and we will all pay , there is no way out .......don't expect me to like it.

the UK will send 3 billion litres of petrol to America this year , Biden has decided to cut oil production...?? what's all that about..?? they pay just over half what you pay so why send it there...?? you will say that's not relevant to this conversation , i say it is .....they will play the tune and we will all dance , we have no choice other than to revolt.

You know what's what but you seem to have a blind spot on this issue.

Your attitude to refugees and asylum seekers is a prime example of you dancing to their tune as you lap up their misinformation.

I don't expect you to like it but your anger is directed at the wrong people. You are having a go at the other victims. Exactly my point.


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[The Clamp]

Government is mis-categorising immigrant children as adults. 3/4 of immigrants considered for deportation were categorised by the government as adults but turned out to be under 18 years old or younger. Some as young as 14 were classed as adults.

There is a real danger of 14 year olds being sent to Rwanda unaccompanied by a suitable adult.

Imagine your 14 year old daughter or niece being sent there on their own. Patel doesn’t care. Johnson doesn’t care.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/05/uk-accused-of-attempting-to-deport-children-to-rwanda

 

[sydney]

You know what's what but you seem to have a blind spot on this issue.

Your attitude to refugees and asylum seekers is a prime example of you dancing to their tune as you lap up their misinformation.

I don't expect you to like it but your anger is directed at the wrong people. You are having a go at the other victims. Exactly my point.


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no it isn't , my attitude to people who deliberately conceal their identity and who are perfectly able bodied 20 to 40 year old men arriving in rubber dinghies in their droves will ,not be changed by wobbling my head .....where are all the women and children,...?? the decision to let this quantity of unidentified male "refugees" into the UK may yet turn out to be one of the biggest cock ups in recent times.

refugees i have met and worked with here in Australia are mostly nice people, Afghans are a stand out , lovely people...!! Vietnamese , Sri Lankans are fine .......most of the Sudanese and Somalians i have dealings with are ok too......Syrians and Lebanese have massive attitude problems in my experience and there are plenty of them heading to the UK thanks to Putin and the Saudi's.

i'm not worried about myself , i'm more than capable of looking after me.......many aren't.

 

[BadFish]

no it isn't , my attitude to people who deliberately conceal their identity and who are perfectly able bodied 20 to 40 year old men arriving in rubber dinghies in their droves will ,not be changed by wobbling my head .....where are all the women and children,...?? the decision to let this quantity of unidentified male "refugees" into the UK may yet turn out to be one of the biggest cock ups in recent times.

refugees i have met and worked with here in Australia are mostly nice people, Afghans are a stand out , lovely people...!! Vietnamese , Sri Lankans are fine .......most of the Sudanese and Somalians i have dealings with are ok too......Syrians and Lebanese have massive attitude problems in my experience and there are plenty of them heading to the UK thanks to Putin and the Saudi's.

i'm not worried about myself , i'm more than capable of looking after me.......many aren't.

I don't think you can judge whole nations of people just on the ones you have met, unless you have met most of them of course.

I am not sure where you are getting this information about bogus asylum seekers and people, concealing their identity and the like. The only places I have seen this stuff talked about is through the mouthpiece media of the governments and organisations you have already identified as corrupt.

I would be interested in the data and information that you have used to form your opinions as in my own research on this subject (which is reasonably substantial) I have never seen anything that backs up the scare stories.

I get the impression that I am not going to change your mind on this one, and unless you can provide me some compelling evidence you are unlikely to change mine.

Maybe we just leave it there?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I don't think you can judge whole nations of people just on the ones you have met, unless you have met most of them of course.

I am not sure where you are getting this information about bogus asylum seekers and people, concealing their identity and the like. The only places I have seen this stuff talked about is through the mouthpiece media of the governments and organisations you have already identified as corrupt.

I would be interested in the data and information that you have used to form your opinions as in my own research on this subject (which is reasonably substantial) I have never seen anything that backs up the scare stories.

I get the impression that I am not going to change your mind on this one, and unless you can provide me some compelling evidence you are unlikely to change mine.

Maybe we just leave it there?

There's no point in debating it, as he'll never agree. In the meantime, these are the facts

https://fullfact.org/immigration/scott-benton-small-boats-economic-migrants/

 

[BadFish]

There's no point in debating it, as he'll never agree. In the meantime, these are the facts

https://fullfact.org/immigration/scott-benton-small-boats-economic-migrants/

Thank you.

Quite, my reading from a few years ago shows a pretty robust system where people entering the UK are deemed to be refugees. Those that are not are deported.

The idea of vast swathes of young economic migrants running roughshod over the UK isn't borne out by quality information.

As I say the rags who perpetrate this stuff do it for their own gain and the political wishes of those in power.

 

[sydney]

I don't think you can judge whole nations of people just on the ones you have met, unless you have met most of them of course.

I am not sure where you are getting this information about bogus asylum seekers and people, concealing their identity and the like. The only places I have seen this stuff talked about is through the mouthpiece media of the governments and organisations you have already identified as corrupt.

I would be interested in the data and information that you have used to form your opinions as in my own research on this subject (which is reasonably substantial) I have never seen anything that backs up the scare stories.

I get the impression that I am not going to change your mind on this one, and unless you can provide me some compelling evidence you are unlikely to change mine.

Maybe we just leave it there?

ok , no one has to be right or wrong , we can each have an opinion.
we can only form opinions through personal experiences and through what we read , i have said in this thread that i don't have an overbearing problem with refugees/immigrants , it's the system that creates problems time and time and time again and then put the onus on the public at large to make donations through companies like oxfam and red cross who are also rinsers.

so i'm not overly inclined to help as i believe if Britain have money for Trident and Australia have money for the AUKUS agreement and to pay France out 900 million compensation then they can fork out for refugees/asylum seekers as well.

 

[rogersix]

Or a new offence of weird stalkerism in your case. Just odd, no, make that freaky.

eh? you know you're on a message board?

 

[The Clamp]

no it isn't , my attitude to people who deliberately conceal their identity and who are perfectly able bodied 20 to 40 year old men arriving in rubber dinghies in their droves will ,not be changed by wobbling my head .....where are all the women and children,...?? the decision to let this quantity of unidentified male "refugees" into the UK may yet turn out to be one of the biggest cock ups in recent times.

refugees i have met and worked with here in Australia are mostly nice people, Afghans are a stand out , lovely people...!! Vietnamese , Sri Lankans are fine .......most of the Sudanese and Somalians i have dealings with are ok too......Syrians and Lebanese have massive attitude problems in my experience and there are plenty of them heading to the UK thanks to Putin and the Saudi's.

i'm not worried about myself , i'm more than capable of looking after me.......many aren't.

So gracious of you to give each nationality your approval in varying degrees.


Jesus wept.

 

[sydney]

So gracious of you to give each nationality your approval in varying degrees.


Jesus wept.

these are people i have worked with in the building industry on a fairly regular basis and my own personal experience of them , some use their own experiences to form an opinion , some use the guardian or google.

for instance , when i played football in Sydney the Greeks , Macedonians, Turks , Serbs , Croats , Cypriots all had their own clubs and used to kick seven shades of shit out of each other both on and off the pitch , the South Americans were more interested in playing football , everyone is different.

 

[The Clamp]

Only 7 out of the original 130 due to be trafficked to Rwanda by the Tory’s in exchange for Rwandan refugees are due to board the transports today. It’s unlikely that 6 of those will be trafficked as their cases are due to be heard this morning.

So basically, the Tory’s and the judges claim the concept is legal but in reality barely any individual case is legal.

What a waste of time and money. It’s what the Tory’s specialise in.