[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Thunder Bolt]

It does appear an odd conclusion by the Police, albeit under incredible political pressure which they really don't like.

A more coherent conclusion (if morally wrong) would be that since the PM was in his "home" but unable to control others being there (because of the uniqueness of Number 10), he wouldn't get fined at all.

.. but he has been for one occasion.

What a complete mess.

He didn't actually live at Number 10, because the flat at Number 11 was bigger. As you say, a complete mess.

 

[clapham_gull]

He didn't actually live at Number 10, because the flat at Number 11 was bigger. As you say, a complete mess.

Yes, but it's effectively now one big house / office.

 

[drew]

It does appear an odd conclusion by the Police, albeit under incredible political pressure which they really don't like.

A more coherent conclusion (if morally wrong) would be that since the PM was in his "home" but unable to control others being there (because of the uniqueness of Number 10), he wouldn't get fined at all.

.. but he has been for one occasion.

What a complete mess.

I disagree. There is demarcation between what are the personal living quarters, whether that be the flat above No. 10 or the one about No. 11 and the work place.

 

[clapham_gull]

I disagree. There is demarcation between what are the personal living quarters, whether that be the flat above No. 10 or the one about No. 11 and the work place.

As you may, but it isn't my opinion.

It's something I understand the Police took into consideration.

 

[Hugo Rune]

I disagree. There is demarcation between what are the personal living quarters, whether that be the flat above No. 10 or the one about No. 11 and the work place.

I suspect that this sort of thing was laid out by Johnson’s Lawyers in great detail and that the Met accepted their version of what is the workplace and what is a party. They clearly couldn’t get him off the hook with the Birthday Party but have certainly managed to get him out of all the other fines whilst other raising a glass (on the 13th Nov) with him were fined.

 

[beorhthelm]

I disagree. There is demarcation between what are the personal living quarters, whether that be the flat above No. 10 or the one about No. 11 and the work place.

i bet the Sue Grey report will make such details and distinctions clearer, if anyone reads it.

 

[clapham_gull]

I suspect that this sort of thing was laid out by Johnson’s Lawyers in great detail and that the Met accepted their version of what is the workplace and what is a party. They clearly couldn’t get him off the hook with the Birthday Party but have certainly managed to get him out of all the other fines whilst other raising a glass (on the 13th Nov) with him were fined.

I'm sure anyone knows whether the others were fined because ITV were unable to identify them.

As for "demarcation between what are the personal living quarters", well we know The Johnson's were conducting Government business from the flat. His wife has been an advisor to him well before they got together.

If press reports are correct she has continued in that role, thus pretty much anything that did or did not happen in the flat can be excused as essential work.

** correction **

BBC now saying somewhere there was fined, the source being someone who was there.

 

[The Clamp]

There is a photograph of Johnson breaking the law. 100 % proof. Yet, how have we got to the point where we know, not just suspect but KNOW he will get away with it?

This country is done for.

 

[Bodian]

I'm sure he'll say it was a socially distanced work event necessary as someone was leaving; with one drink each lasting five minutes. Or some such bollocks.

 

[monty uk]

It's a work event - there's a red despatch box on the chair in front of him.

Or is it a wine cooler?

Or in his case, a despatch box used as a wine cooler. Far more appropriate since he barely does any Government work or reads official papers.

Lot's of empty bottles, must have been a good party.

 

[The Clamp]

I'm sure he'll say it was a socially distanced work event necessary as someone was leaving; with one drink each lasting five minutes. Or some such bollocks.

I reckon he’ll go along the lines of;

Look this has been investigated by both the Met and an independent enquiry and we have seen justice served. These new photographs are not helpful, they are an unnecessary distraction from other, more important matters. I believe the matter is now closed.

And that will be that. Law broken, doesn’t seem to matter anymore.

 

[nicko31]

Johnson will only leave no.10 in 2 ways..

a) Removed by his own party

b) Removed by the electorate

He'll never take responsibilty, its the story of his whole life

 

[clapham_gull]

One of the more bizarre sub stories is many of the pictures were taken by the PM's recently appointed "official" photographer.

These pictures aren't his, but by all accounts the Police saw the official ones which show the same thing.

As these pictures were unlikely to see the light of day, what exactly was the purpose of them ? We appear to be paying for a personal vanity project.

 

[monty uk]

One of the more bizarre sub stories is many of the pictures were taken by the PM's recently appointed "official" photographer.

These pictures aren't his, but by all accounts the Police saw the official ones which show the same thing.

As these pictures were unlikely to see the light of day, what exactly was the purpose of them ? We appear to be paying for a personal vanity project.

For his future, highly lucrative, autobiography. Although he'll get a ghost writer in.

 

[clapham_gull]

A former Conservative MP has been jailed for 18 months following his conviction for sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy.

At a trial last month, Imran Ahmad Khan, 48, who was elected as Wakefield MP in 2019, was found guilty of groping the boy at a party in 2008.

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I've often observed those press photographers on television jumping up in vain trying to get a picture of the convicted through the small windows of the prison van.

They rarely see the light of day, but George Cracknell Wright appears to have hit bullseye here.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/23/17/58182685-10845923-image-a-1_1653324255496.jpg

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I reckon he’ll go along the lines of;

Look this has been investigated by both the Met and an independent enquiry and we have seen justice served. These new photographs are not helpful, they are an unnecessary distraction from other, more important matters. I believe the matter is now closed.

And that will be that. Law broken, doesn’t seem to matter anymore.

100 pecent

Lets pretend the police didnt get involved.

Those photos would have done him in, he wouldn't be able to fall back on the no law broken line

 

[pocketseagull]

The problem here is that reportedly other people at that pictured event were fined by the police.

 

[Bodian]

The problem here is that reportedly other people at that pictured event were fined by the police.

I'm guessing that Johnson may have just stayed a short while to raise a glass - and the others closer to the guy leaving carried on? Remember - Johnson had a lawyer filling in his questionnaires.

 

[clapham_gull]

The problem here is that reportedly other people at that pictured event were fined by the police.

Because possibly they carried on drinking and it appears the PM was there for ten minutes. That's not a party defence, just reports from people who were there and have told the press that fines took place.

The PM (if accounts are true) instigated the drinks and the official photographer took photos.

It's a complete mess.

Much focus on minutiae of these events by defenders who don't look at the bigger picture. When I was allowed (and trust me I never broke a rule) I travelled down to Sussex and saw at least 5 police officers surround someone at Waterloo Station who had forgotten to put their mask on. It was in their pocket.

I complained at the time to other police, not because I didn't believe in the rules, just that within the spirit of them those police were over-reacting to a specific situation and needed public support rather than the over way round.

They agreed with me and radioed something off to someone.

Just over the river a few months before, the police were actively ignoring all sorts of deliberate piss taking and have seemingly chosen to ignore it again.

It's over to them why they have chosen to do that, but I don't think there is a cover-up because it's being played out now in plain sight.

I suspect it's because they don't want to annoy the Government fearing a backlash later down the line.

 

[rippleman]

I do hope nobody is suggesting that the Met investigation wasn't an incompetent stitch-up to protect Big Dog.

It was always going to be that way.

Johnson lies
Dick is incompetent
The Met is institutionally corrupt

Sue Gray? Well, she has covered up for the government before so I wont be holding my breath