[NSC] Not convinced about sanchez

[GT49er]

His “problem” is the exact opposite, allegedly.

That was his problem at Forest Green. His time at Rochdale and with us suggest that he has recognised that, and has worked/is working hard to take that out of his game. By and large he is succeeding.

Looking at the errors of other so called top keepers I am more than happy with Bob

Exactly.

 

[Whitechapel]

That was his problem at Forest Green. His time at Rochdale and with us suggest that he has recognised that, and has worked/is working hard to take that out of his game. By and large he is succeeding.

Fair enough.

As I said earlier I know someone who deals with the first team face-to-face on a fairly regular basis and they seem to think that there was a pretty drastic change in his personality after he got his first Spain call up. Obviously this is second hand information based on one persons opinion so take it with a shovel full of salt. Either way I don’t think his problem is a lack of confidence.

 

[Braggfan]

Potter said something in one of his press conferences last week about how Premier League footballers don't just appear "Premier League ready", they develop over seasons into those players. Every one of them takes a different path, and for some the development is quick and for others it takes longer. In Sanchez’s case, he’s a young keeper in his 2nd season in the Prem, is flawless? No, is he still developing? Yes. Does he have the potential to be an amazing keeper? Yes. I think he’s already a better keeper than when he first emerged on the scene, and if we’re patient with him I think he’’ll getter better season on season.

 

[ChickenBaltiPie]

Seeming I know people who have to interact with the first team squad on a weekly basis I’ll take their opinion over somebody who couldn’t even point at Brighton on a map 4 years ago

Well isn’t that interesting because I know someone who interacts with them all day, every day, and a certain individual who’s primary responsibility is the goalkeepers and he tells me quite the opposite…I have it on good authority that his attitude is one of the best at the club! Sorry.

…obviously this is second hand information based on ‘one persons opinion’ so take it with a shovel full of salt.

…exactly! The secondhand perception of one individual having had one interaction with a professional footballer probably isn’t enough to base our opinion on tbh.

I can come across as arrogant in the industry I’m in, I’m far from it when you get to know me, but confidence must be cultivated for the job I do, and sometimes there is a fine line. Some people will often find themselves intimidated by a persons confidence and label it as arrogance. It certainly can be, but it’s def not always the case!

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Fair enough.

As I said earlier I know someone who deals with the first team face-to-face on a fairly regular basis and they seem to think that there was a pretty drastic change in his personality after he got his first Spain call up. Obviously this is second hand information based on one persons opinion so take it with a shovel full of salt. Either way I don’t think his problem is a lack of confidence.

Sanchez has never had a lack of confidence, lots of people have spoken about his huge belief in his own ability, but as alluded to above, at Forest Green he was maybe over confident and didn't think he had to put the work in on the training ground. Certainly now he comes across in games as very confident and doesn't seem to put his head down if he does make a mistake. I think his stoic nature can make people think he's a bit arrogant but to me he just seems to have that winners mentality of not showing your opponents what you are thinking.

 

[ChickenBaltiPie]

Sanchez has never had a lack of confidence, lots of people have spoken about his huge believe in his own ability, but as alluded to above at Forest Green he was maybe over confident and didn't think he had to put the work in on the training ground. Certainly now he comes across in games as very confident and doesn't seem to put his head down if he does make a mistake. I think his stoic nature can make people think he's a bit arrogant but to me he just seems to have that winners mentality of not showing your opponents what you are thinking.

Bingo!

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Well isn’t that interesting because I know someone who interacts with them all day, every day, and a certain individual who’s primary responsibility is the goalkeepers and he tells me quite the opposite…I have it on good authority that his attitude is one of the best at the club! Sorry.



…exactly! The secondhand perception of one individual having had one interaction with a professional footballer probably isn’t enough to base our opinion on tbh.

I can come across as arrogant in the industry I’m in, I’m far from it when you get to know me, but confidence must be cultivated for the job I do, and sometimes there is a fine line. Some people will often find themselves intimidated by a persons confidence and label it as arrogance. It certainly can be, but it’s def not always the case!

Over confidence isn't necessarily arrogance, of course, fully agree. However I can certainly see signs of over confidence in the way he's playing this season. He took to the premier league like a duck to water last season, its not surprising that he would approach this season like he belongs and like he's one of the best. That's fine, that belief in your ability is necessary, but I think it shows in some of his first time passing that's gone wrong, in some of his attempts to come for a cross and dropping it, he must feel like he will make these plays 100% of the time and so maybe his focus is just dropping a tad? All players will be tested at the highest level, its not supposed to be easy, and I have no doubt he will be learning all the time about himself and what it takes.

 

[JBizzle]

I find it interesting that "self-confidence" is so often used as a stick with which to beat football players. Reaching the top of this particular profession takes a staggering about of commitment and, yes, self belief. As a goalkeeper, the ability to bounce back from a mistake is absolutely vital.

Sure, Sanchez has been more shaky in the last couple of games and he was arguably at fault for the goals against West Ham and Southampton, but after those errors he made multiple big, big saves to keep us in those games. That comes from his ability to bounce back mentally and regain composure and focus. He was always going to have a shaky patch of form. He's 24 and hasn't been through a genuinely bad patch yet so hopefully his confidence gets him through.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

The Chelsea goalie made a mistake at the weekend.

Mendy OUT

 

[GT49er]

Sanchez has never had a lack of confidence, lots of people have spoken about his huge belief in his own ability, but as alluded to above, at Forest Green he was maybe over confident and didn't think he had to put the work in on the training ground. Certainly now he comes across in games as very confident and doesn't seem to put his head down if he does make a mistake. I think his stoic nature can make people think he's a bit arrogant but to me he just seems to have that winners mentality of not showing your opponents what you are thinking.

I never heard about any unwillingness to work at trainiing at FGR - his over-confidence took the form of coming for balls he thought he could get - but couldn't! I seem to remember a lot of penalties ....................
Whether to come or stay is always going to be a hair-line decision. Those occasions when he soars into the air, knocking a couple of our defenders in the process, to imperiously claim the ball are great - but it won't always work. He has to make that judgement call and get it right more often than wrong. Clearly he (and the GK coaches) have worked on this - his judgement has certainly improved since his FGR days. I think that's more a case of learning rather than a confidence issue either way.
In terms of confidence though, I wouldn't be surprised if being called up for Spain gave it a bit of a boost!

 

[Springal]

Classic NSC - building up young players and then digging them out at the first sign of a problem

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

I never heard about any unwillingness to work at trainiing at FGR - his over-confidence took the form of coming for balls he thought he could get - but couldn't! I seem to remember a lot of penalties ....................
Whether to come or stay is always going to be a hair-line decision. Those occasions when he soars into the air, knocking a couple of our defenders in the process, to imperiously claim the ball are great - but it won't always work. He has to make that judgement call and get it right more often than wrong. Clearly he (and the GK coaches) have worked on this - his judgement has certainly improved since his FGR days. I think that's more a case of learning rather than a confidence issue either way.
In terms of confidence though, I wouldn't be surprised if being called up for Spain gave it a bit of a boost!

Maybe I was a bit harsh on not putting in the work on the training ground, but one of the coaches at Forest Green said in an interview that we wanted him to learn that you couldn't just turn up and perform, you had to put in the preparation on the training ground. Which can be read as maybe he was prone to taking it a bit to easy in training sessions.

 

[GT49er]

Maybe I was a bit harsh on not putting in the work on the training ground, but one of the coaches at Forest Green said in an interview that we wanted him to learn that you couldn't just turn up and perform, you had to put in the preparation on the training ground. Which can be read as maybe he was prone to taking it a bit to easy in training sessions.

Fairy nuff. That's something I hadn't heard of.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

He is very good, and still learning, so should get better.

This. Big Bob 'Ice Cold' Sanchez can only be destined for far greater things. Spain have two slightly ageing keepers in front of him for selection. But the mere fact that he's already being included in the national squad can only mean he's being groomed as a possible / probable future numero uno. We should enjoy him while he's here. He's a rare talent

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

This. Big Bob 'Ice Cold' Sanchez can only be destined for far greater things. Spain have two slightly ageing keepers in front of him for selection. But the mere fact that he's already being included in the national squad can only mean he's being groomed as a possible / probable future numero uno. We should enjoy him while he's here. He's a rare talent

Spain's current first choice keeper is Unai Simon who is only 5 months older than Sanchez. Big Bob already seems to have surpassed Kepa who is still only 27. The only goalkeeper Spain have who may be considered aging is De Gea who is 31, which is still goalkeeping prime. He could be in for a good battle with Simon for the shirt over his career but they may reduce the number of caps each other get by both being top keepers. He's certainly a rare talent and one we are very lucky to have.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

This. Big Bob 'Ice Cold' Sanchez can only be destined for far greater things. Spain have two slightly ageing keepers in front of him for selection. But the mere fact that he's already being included in the national squad can only mean he's being groomed as a possible / probable future numero uno. We should enjoy him while he's here. He's a rare talent

I know you quantified this by referring to them as only SLIGHTLY aging, but Unai Simon, who started all their games at the Euros and every game since, is a whopping FIVE MONTHS older than Sanchez.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I know you quantified this by referring to them as only SLIGHTLY aging, but Unai Simon, who started all their games at the Euros and every game since, is a whopping FIVE MONTHS older than Sanchez.

Ah, right, my bad, thought Unai Simon was a bit older. General point still stands tho eh? Big Bob features highly in the future plans of the Spanish national team

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Ah, right, my bad, thought Unai Simon was a bit older. General point still stands tho eh? Big Bob features highly in the future plans of the Spanish national team

Indeed

 

[Jesus Gul]

Best keeper we've ever had

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Spain's current first choice keeper is Unai Simon who is only 5 months older than Sanchez. Big Bob already seems to have surpassed Kepa who is still only 27. The only goalkeeper Spain have who may be considered aging is De Gea who is 31, which is still goalkeeping prime. He could be in for a good battle with Simon for the shirt over his career but they may reduce the number of caps each other get by both being top keepers. He's certainly a rare talent and one we are very lucky to have.

De Gea is31? He seems to have been around forever.

Spanish keepers seem to emerge early with big Bob, Unai Simon both being early twenties, de Ge making his debut at Atletico Madrid s a teeneager and Kepa being a young gun. And of course there's Casillas who made his debut for Real when he was about 7.

I wonder what it is that makes them establish themselves so young?