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[Albion] Potter arguably worse than Hyypia



Guinness Boy

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I don't see why it's embarrassing to hold an opinion several months ago based on performance that would probably be different to what it is now based on performance. You can only base your opinion of a manager based on their over all performance up till now can't you?

Indeed. [MENTION=232]Simster[/MENTION] has a point, these views should have been challenged more at the time. Instead the thread was allowed to fall down the board. It has more posts on it now than then.

The fact was that at the time we'd won one single home game in a calendar year and that our calendar years of 2019 and 2020 were not particularly stellar. There was also an article suggesting that GP didn't even get to pick the starting XI by himself (or, at least, that was how people read it). Then there were the repeated issues; poor finishing, inability to break down a low block, conceding from corners and being out thought at half time. And those stats in the OP were accurate at the time.

There were posters (not on this thread which all but disappeared) who saw that GP would change all of that eventually and fair play to them, but I'd say a good half of the board had had enough at the juncture this was posted at.

A more interesting thought would be whether lockdown football gave GP the space he needed with no fans to barrack him (remember Bloom didn't want to fire SH, that came from the fans, particularly the Millwall game) or whether, with fans in the ground, our home record would have been a whole lot better anyway and threads like this would never have started.

Well played to [MENTION=41631]Fat Boy Fat[/MENTION] and his 20/20 hindsight though. Any tips for the 2018 Grand National?
 




e77

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TBF Potter has quite possibly learnt on the job and improved since the original post.

Hiring and firing of coaches generally doesn't work.
 


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I just hope Newcastle fans/owners are taking note.

Hyypia is yer man! :thumbsup:
 


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Hiring and firing of coaches generally doesn't work.

It's a bit more nuanced than that and requires a good succession plan and understanding of the limits, IMO.

Palace got shot of FDB shortly into their experiment with him. No one will know what they would have done under him but instead they brought in the safe and trusted Roy and finished above us in every season (though playing uninspired stuff).

Hyypia got shot of himself and we also felt it was time to stop experimenting and go with the experience of Hughton. Until this season that was our most successful and he was the only one of a cabal of coaches and football directors to get us promoted (though playing pragmatic stuff when he felt it was needed).

On the other hand Arsenal were clearly correct to keep Wenger and Man U Ferguson, but neither club has ever adequately replaced them. Fergie is still part of the Man U cultural fabric now, looking on like The Godfather, while Arsenal have fallen from where they really want to be. And FWIW I don't think Liverpool will replace Klopp with as winning a coach when his time eventually comes.

Watford are pulling above their weight with a managerial merry-go-round. Leicester fired the title winning Ranieri and have stayed a fixture in the top six or seven.
 


Kalimantan Gull

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It's just another tedious bounce taking the mood of the time out of context. I'll say it again, I was never Potter Out but all these bounces do is drive people away from this site. Varying opinions on the whole should be welcomed. Try and take them apart AT THE TIME if you see fit, not months later. It's cretinous.

Hang on, we did, over and over. It was hugely frustrating to fight those battles. But we couldn't demonstrate that we might have been correct until Potter ACTUALLY started getting good results.

What this board has actually become is loads of posters slagging us off repeatedly for daring to see the good in Potter, or Maupay, or Burn, or Connolly, and then when those individuals prove us to have been on the right track, just say 'oh I was wrong', and carry on without a care in the world.
 




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Hang on, we did, over and over. It was hugely frustrating to fight those battles. But we couldn't demonstrate that we might have been correct until Potter ACTUALLY started getting good results.

What this board has actually become is loads of posters slagging us off repeatedly for daring to see the good in Potter, or Maupay, or Burn, or Connolly, and then when those individuals prove us to have been on the right track, just say 'oh I was wrong', and carry on without a care in the world.

The fact that you see an ‘us’ is the really important bit. None of this has anything to do with Potter.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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My word I was grumpy. And quite wrong as it turned out.

Just shows what a year of only winning once at home will do to you (especially if you've been locked in with your nearest and dearest for the best part of a year :lolol: )

Don't beat yourself up over it, you'll be quite right again by Xmas :xmas:
 






Badger Boy

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Bouncing posts well out of their original context is the lowest of the low. An opinion based on facts today does not invalidate an opinion formed based on the facts of the time. At the time this was posted, we didn't look like being able to score a goal - let alone get a win. We've changed goalkeeper since then and we've performed far better on a match by match basis and climbed the table. The only crime of this thread is that the individuals didn't look into the future and correctly predict how it would turn out.

Maybe Hyypia would have turned it around as well, but he didn't get the chance that Potter did. That's the difference. Well, that and Hyypia didn't have any of the necessary tools to succeed. He had an awful squad with very poor future planning and only got one transfer window. There are plentiful differences but ultimately, fair play to Potter for turning it around.
 




Tom Hark Preston Park

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Bouncing posts well out of their original context is the lowest of the low. An opinion based on facts today does not invalidate an opinion formed based on the facts of the time. At the time this was posted, we didn't look like being able to score a goal - let alone get a win. We've changed goalkeeper since then and we've performed far better on a match by match basis and climbed the table. The only crime of this thread is that the individuals didn't look into the future and correctly predict how it would turn out.

Maybe Hyypia would have turned it around as well, but he didn't get the chance that Potter did. That's the difference. Well, that and Hyypia didn't have any of the necessary tools to succeed. He had an awful squad with very poor future planning and only got one transfer window. There are plentiful differences but ultimately, fair play to Potter for turning it around.

This. Call it as you see it while you're seeing it. So many Clevor Trever cherry-picking after-timers. Sorry, but at the time GM WAS One-In-Ten-Glenn. Suck it up after-timers :kiss:
 








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This. Call it as you see it while you're seeing it. So many Clevor Trever cherry-picking after-timers. Sorry, but at the time GM WAS One-In-Ten-Glenn. Suck it up :kiss:

He was one in 10 at the time yes

But the signs were there. There was obvious potential for anyone who wanted to view it.

Same with Potter last season. Yes we barely won a home game, but obvious potential to him and his side and that's why the majority didn't turn on him
 






Fat Boy Fat

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It's just another tedious bounce taking the mood of the time out of context. I'll say it again, I was never Potter Out but all these bounces do is drive people away from this site. Varying opinions on the whole should be welcomed. Try and take them apart AT THE TIME if you see fit, not months later. It's cretinous.

Thank you for your kind words, I will make sure I seek your permission in future
 


Hamilton

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A case could be made for the Albion only having the 3 points taken from Watford.

The fact they have considerably more is fantastic and to be rightly applauded.

But in much the same way he wasn't as shite then - despite the record and home form saying so.
He probably isn't as super-duper now - despite the record saying otherwise.


Just enjoy the ride.

Agree with that Stat.

I voted Potter Out in some of those tedious polls that were run over and over again and succeeded only in driving a wedge between fans. At the time I felt justified in doing so, and with every vote I was clear to say that regrettably, based upon results and certain managerial decisions that I did not understand I felt he was not the right choice. I'm delighted that things have changed, and while I'm not a managerial genius as my fantasy league status shows, I think Potter has changed as well.

Right now, we're riding high and putting together strong performances that are getting results. Whereas beforehand we were losing by odds goals, now we are winning by them. Great news, and in the long term it feels much better.

But, it would have been naive to think that our Premier League status was never in doubt when we were going through that transition, and had we been relegated I doubt many would have predicted an immediate return.

Fine margins, and there are no geniuses on this board, just opinions.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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He was one in 10 at the time yes

But the signs were there. There was obvious potential for anyone who wanted to view it.

Same with Potter last season. Yes we barely won a home game, but obvious potential to him and his side and that's why the majority didn't turn on him

Sorry (= not sorry) but that's as crap an analysis as I ever did see. THPP advice, same as it always was, is try actually watching what you're seeing while you're watching it :wave:
 






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Poyet didn't become manager until November 2009. Hoyte came to Brighton in October 2009 when Andrew Whing was injured. Calde arrived in January 2010 as a Poyet acquisition.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/brighton/8297876.stm

From Wikipedia
In October 2009, Hoyte signed on a one-month loan for Brighton & Hove Albion as cover for the injured Andy Whing.[12] Hoyte's loan spell at Brighton was extended until January 2010,[13] and again on 12 January until the end of the 2009–10 season.
Poyet came in 10th Nov

According to Soccerbase Whing played 4 games for Brighton from 15th Nov to 24th Nov. His next game was for Chesterfield in March. For three of these games I believe Hoyte was suspended after a red card. In the fourth game both Hoyte and Whing played
 


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