Love to see them stay up in spite of any points deduction
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[Football] Wigan go into adminsitration
- Thread starter Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
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Love to see them stay up in spite of any points deduction
Albion Dan
Banned
Got to be likely now?
2 games to go. A 12 point deduction right now will dump them bottom 3
The twelve point deduction, I know if they get relegated it is saved to next season. There seems to be an assumption that if they stay up, it will be by less than 12 points so they'll get the deduction this season and it will send them down. If they stay up by more than 12 points, thus points deduction have as much effect as one if they finish bottom 3, will it also be held off to next season, or is it a simple 'finish outside the relegation zone, it gets applied this year' regardless?
Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo
Waxing chumps like candles since ‘75
- Oct 4, 2003
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No it wouldn't, they are on 57 points, 12 clear of Hull who are 22nd but Wigan have a 27 goal advantage over them. If Luton win tonight then Wigan would be in the bottom 3 with a points deduction, currently 1-1 with QPR as I type this.
I'm not sure if this is still the rule but in 2007 the Football League made the following rule change after Leeds and Boston went into administration once their relegation had been confirmed to avoid the deduction being applied to the following season.
I know it refers to 10 point deductions and I'm not sure how they would work out the equivalent of the 4th Thursday in March taking lockdown into account, I guess they work out how many games would have been left at that point and forward that through to when Wigan went into administration.
I thought the rule, for clubs entering administration late in the season, had been further modified to apply to deduction to cause maximum effect. IE if they finish less than 12 points outside the relegation zone then the deduction is applied and they are relegated. If the club are relegated naturally or they finish more than 12 points clear of relegation then the deduction is held over to the following season, but I cannot find reference to this and I may have dreamt it.
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Originunknown
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Hope they play their way out of potential relegation, football will be the winner.
EFL should be held accountable for sanctioning this without due diligence.
EFL should be held accountable for sanctioning this without due diligence.
mikeyjh
Well-known member
Well, they look like doing it, good on them?
Shaw it has been covered before but have not read thru previous. Plenty of interest and looks like they have a serious buyer. Begs question assume this is at a firesale price so why didnt owner sell club at end of season when they would definitely been in championship. His months ownership is going to cost a fortune
schmunk
"Members"
It's going to cost someone a fortune, and make someone a fortune. The (serious) question is, who?
No, because its a criminal scam.
This is what happened:
IEC (HK company specialised in gambling) bought the club from Whelan in 2018. IEC is or was owned by Stanley Choi.
IEC then sold the club to NLF in June, by taking a loan from the selling company (IEC). These companies have the same owner: Stanley Choi.
Choi immediatly hands over control of NLF to some Chinese guy.
Meanwhile, a massive bet is made in the Philippines that Wigan will get relegated.
Chinese guy immediatly contacts administrators to take charge of the club, meaning they would get a 12 point deduction - which at the time almost certainly looked like it would mean relegation. Making the Philippinese giant bet win.
Stanley Choi will be making money through the loan he made from his own company to buy his own club. ~£30m loan with 8% interest. Anything the admins are able to sell will probably go to pay off this debt.
Chinese guy (and possible Choi) would presumably make money from the giant bet on Wigan's relegation.
If Wigan manages to stay up, I'm guessing it will be a very poor deal to at least the Chinese guy. Choi will probably still make his money from the money he borrowed to himself.
Gabbiano
Well-known member
There are rumours of a very large bet in the Philippines on Wigan going down. So presumably he would earn his money back that way.
You should probably add a couple of "allegedy"s in there. Just to be on the safe side......
Well the only thing with any question marks is the betting part, and I would be very surprised if its not true. In Sweden we have massive problems with match fixing below the highest league, and most of these ~100 match fixing allegations every year are traced back to suspicous activity on Asian betting markets.
Whatever the exact circumstances, I'm 100% convinced its not some "failed business move".
Glad I asked. That is a big statement
I'm not saying that you're wrong, it absolutely stinks. But I don't think [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] will be too pleased with direct accusations of criminality (with no caveat) on the forum.
El Pres alluded to knowing what's happened when they first went into admin, but said he could say no more at the moment........
It'll come out in the wash.
It's a bit like saying "Prince Andrew is a nonce". Better to say that "I think Prince Andrew is probably a nonce and so does everyone I know".
- Apr 5, 2014
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Appeal today. I wish them well.
This is grossly unfair. It's not as if a profit or advantage was gained from this process. The players and supporters have been shafted.
Maybe just give them a fine based on ability to pay. I'm sure Manchester City would agree after their £500m fine for pissing around.
Oh...
This is grossly unfair. It's not as if a profit or advantage was gained from this process. The players and supporters have been shafted.
Maybe just give them a fine based on ability to pay. I'm sure Manchester City would agree after their £500m fine for pissing around.
Oh...
Ye agree.. would feel sorry for Barnsley and their coach though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxJeos7V7ZM
- Apr 5, 2014
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Excepting that the only people who remain are the supporters, staff (if not sacked) and players.
Those who are totally innocent.
And those who determine the fit and proper process become the hangmen.