I hope you took the opportunity to gently explain why BJ has had to send this message for everyon’s safety (incl grandma) and that the world pandemic is not the fault of an individual.
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[Politics] Which British Prime Minister had the most profund effect on your life?
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I hope you took the opportunity to gently explain why BJ has had to send this message for everyon’s safety (incl grandma) and that the world pandemic is not the fault of an individual.
Dick Swiveller
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- Sep 9, 2011
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But overall worth it so people could gabble on in local newspapers?
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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Indeed, events can easily be engineered in to different perspectives, remember how Labour took the blame for the "Global " financial crash of 2008 ?
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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New Labour had a scheme called "new start' (I think) that helped people get off the dole and into gainful and meaningful employment. I used this to get into working in outdoor persuits, it helped me with necessary equipment and some training. This was the first step on a road I am currently still on.
so Tony Blair I guess.
so Tony Blair I guess.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
Probably the longest lasting effect any PM in my lifetime will be Cameron’s decision to hold a referendum to leave the EU, to paper over the cracks in the Conservative party. This has led , so far, to the most right wing government in my lifetime, divisions in the country that will take decades to heal, and very possibly the breakup of the Union.
Add to this , the economic carnage that could follow, and it does appear that it is the biggest post war decision this countries government has made.
Add to this , the economic carnage that could follow, and it does appear that it is the biggest post war decision this countries government has made.
Thatcher.
She was PM during my teens and transition into adulthood.
She enabled me to decide how I felt about the principle of me-first selfishness and “there’s no such thing as society” everyone for themselves.
For my generation, you were either for or against this, because it was what she stood for. Did you agree that everyone was the author of their own fortunes, and that little or no allowance should be given to ‘circumstances beyond your control’ in terms of someone’s fate and lot in life - or not?
I didn’t. And as a result, her legacy to me has been a lifelong aversion to what it represents - both as a concept and as a behaviour/value in people.
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She was PM during my teens and transition into adulthood.
She enabled me to decide how I felt about the principle of me-first selfishness and “there’s no such thing as society” everyone for themselves.
For my generation, you were either for or against this, because it was what she stood for. Did you agree that everyone was the author of their own fortunes, and that little or no allowance should be given to ‘circumstances beyond your control’ in terms of someone’s fate and lot in life - or not?
I didn’t. And as a result, her legacy to me has been a lifelong aversion to what it represents - both as a concept and as a behaviour/value in people.
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This. An end to 'back to basics' and all the other absurd blather that passed for policy during the major debacle. It was like a breath of fresh air. Shame he lost the plot over the dodgy dossier.
I'll give a nod to Maggie for sorting out the unions but the way she went about it, and the way she dealt with everything including seeding the toxic anti EU meme, means that I'd prefer she'd not existed.
Superbly put.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Clement Attlee. I was one of the first babies to be born within the NHS.
Directly affecting my everyday life, Harold Wilson. The 60s were a turning point in many ways.
Directly affecting my everyday life, Harold Wilson. The 60s were a turning point in many ways.
studio150
Well-known member
And also the opportunity to mention all the things that Johnson has got wrong, although to go through everything would no doubt have taken until the girls 5th birthday.
Dick Swiveller
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Hence my dig at the OP. Probably the most divisive PM and such a bizarre choice of reason to pick her. Almost like he wanted a "heated debate".
studio150
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Johnson as we will be suffering from his incompetence for years to come.
What's wrong with a "heated debate" ?
Pre pandemic i would not have agreed with you as sure we were better as one union, however given the utter farce that is ensuing with the vaccine debacle over there I’m so glad we are out. Yes our PM has made mistakes but he has certainly got the vaccination roll out brilliantly done.
Interesting. I agree. The lack of leadership from EU central at the start of the pandemic, followed by the way the EU nations coalesced over a central vaccination plan even after the likes of Germany had initially secured their own stocks of vaccine has made me think 'it's abloody good job we left the EU!'. Yes, as I posted previously, we could have done what we did (and Germany did initially) and secure our own vaccine supplies but how soon would we have capitulated (as Germany have done) and gone along with the EU inertia? Anyway, hat's all conjecture. We are where we are, I'm vaccinated, and it's thanks to Boris.
That said, this was a pure gamble by Boris. Had the blood clots with the vaccine occurred in 1 in 100 rather than 1 in 100,000 cases he would have looked like a reckless lunatic for charging ahead with mass vaccination.
Still, with Boris there is bound to be a 'next time'. So he's potentially our most impactful PM....but whether for good or bad reasons is still a toss up. My money would be on bad.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Walpole
Saladpack Seagull
Just Shut Up and Paddle
William Pitt the Younger for his opposition to Revolutionary and Napoleonic France, thereby sparking my life-long obsession with the military history of that period. Yes, I know I'm an anorak and a boring old git.
In terms of the modern era (i.e. post-1945) I think it has to be Attlee, anyone who has ever had any sort of healthcare on the NHS has been directly impacted by the actions of his Government in a way no other Government (not even Thatcher or Blair) can claim.
The current one, and not in any good way.
Luckily he arrived too late to cause me massive problems personally, but my kids and their futures (and therefor most profound effect on me)
100% this.
If The Mendacious Clown had just done his Covid inducing handshakes and dithering whilst the virus spread across the country it would be true but add in all the nationalist nonsense, the Police Bill and rampant corruption that he is perpetrating in government and you have the cocktail of disaster with which we will have to live for the rest of my life and well beyond that.
He is a human wrecking ball and it is devastating.
smeariestbat
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Blair- lying warmongering POS that ruined the economy