[Football] When will the Premier League play in fromnt of full houses again?

[The Camel]

I virtually never start threads, so please be gentle with me.



Had a heated disagreement with my son today over when we can expect full houses at football again

So what chance do you think premier league football will be played in front of packed crowd again at this dates

1. start of next season?
2. january 1st 2022?
3. start of 22/23?


My guesses

1. 10%
2. 25%
3. 90%

 

[Is it PotG?]

With that spelling of 'fromnt' I can understand your reluctance.

FWIW, I really hope 2021/2022 brings back some sort of normality.

 

[Fozzyboy]

I don't think it ever will. The powers that be can shut the world down with a click of their fingers so it will never be the same.

 

[The Camel]

With that spelling of 'fromnt' I can see why.

I had a stroke a couple of months ago and my typing has gone to shite as I can barely use my left hand any more.

Apologies.

 

[Weststander]

August 2021.

 

[The Optimist]

If we are all going to get a vaccine by the autumn, then I would guess late this year. If we can’t go back to full crowds shortly after we’ve all had the vaccine then what steps are left that will allow full crowds?

 

[Poojah]

I virtually never start threads, so please be gentle with me.



Had a heated disagreement with my son today over when we can expect full houses at football again

So what chance do you think premier league football will be played in front of packed crowd again at this dates

1. start of next season?
2. january 1st 2022?
3. start of 22/23?


My guesses

1. 10%
2. 25%
3. 90%

Your figures are all quite depressing if I'm honest. That's not to say they're not realistic; just depressing.

I'd be interested to hear your rationale though. August should enable us to have vaccinated most if not all of the willing adult population, so why 10%. Similarly, what's ever so slightly better but still not very good by New Year's Day next year.

And most intriguingly, why 90% come the start of the following season. What difference does that 10% make? It's not going to facilitate any kind of social distancing - 69,000 people spilling out of Old Trafford is still going to transmit quite a lot of virus, assuming it's still a meaningful problem at that time.

Personally I would be astounded if we are not back to full capacities by the beginning of next season. The only reason we have allowed our economy (and not to mention our liberties) to become completely decimated is the potentially catyclismic impact on hospitalisations and deaths. I am optimistic that this will no longer be a significant problem by August. But then I'm ever the optimist.

 

[The Camel]

If we are all going to get a vaccine by the autumn, then I would guess late this year. If we can’t go back to full crowds shortly after we’ve all had the vaccine then what steps are left that will allow full crowds?

My 10% chance of it not being back to normal by the strt of 22/23 included there being a new strain which is resistant to the vaccine or the vaccine being proved ineffective/dangerous

 

[The Camel]

Your figures are all quite depressing if I'm honest. That's not to say they're not realistic; just depressing.

I'd be interested to hear your rationale though. August should enable us to have vaccinated most if not all of the willing adult population, so why 10%. Similarly, what's ever so slightly better but still not very good by New Year's Day next year.

And most intriguingly, why 90% come the start of the following season. What difference does that 10% make? It's not going to facilitate any kind of social distancing - 69,000 people spilling out of Old Trafford is still going to transmit quite a lot of virus, assuming it's still a meaningful problem at that time.

Personally I would be astounded if we are not back to full capacities by the beginning of next season. The only reason we have allowed our economy (and not to mention our liberties) to become completely decimated is the potentially catyclismic impact on hospitalisations and deaths. I am optimistic that this will no longer be a significant problem by August. But then I'm ever the optimist.

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My 10% chance of it not being back to normal by the start of 22/23 included there being a new strain which is resistant to the vaccine or the vaccine being proved ineffective/dangerous

 

[Weststander]

If we are all going to get a vaccine by the autumn, then I would guess late this year. If we can’t go back to full crowds shortly after we’ve all had the vaccine then what steps are left that will allow full crowds?

55 million adults in the UK, 2 million vaccinations a week, we’ll all be vaccinated by July.

Not taking account of the millions of pandemic deniers who’ll refuse the vaccines.

 

[Fozzyboy]

Your figures are all quite depressing if I'm honest. That's not to say they're not realistic; just depressing.

I'd be interested to hear your rationale though. August should enable us to have vaccinated most if not all of the willing adult population, so why 10%. Similarly, what's ever so slightly better but still not very good by New Year's Day next year.

And most intriguingly, why 90% come the start of the following season. What difference does that 10% make? It's not going to facilitate any kind of social distancing - 69,000 people spilling out of Old Trafford is still going to transmit quite a lot of virus, assuming it's still a meaningful problem at that time.

Personally I would be astounded if we are not back to full capacities by the beginning of next season. The only reason we have allowed our economy (and not to mention our liberties) to become completely decimated is the potentially catyclismic impact on hospitalisations and deaths. I am optimistic that this will no longer be a significant problem by August. But then I'm ever the optimist.

Do you really think the vaccinations will be the be all & end all? Do you really think we will be back to full capacity by August? I feel This will go on for years now. I really hope you are right though. I, personally just don't share your optimism

 

[The Optimist]

My 10% chance of it not being back to normal by the strt of 22/23 included there being a new strain which is resistant to the vaccine or the vaccine being proved ineffective/dangerous

My understanding of the vaccine (or at least one of them), is that the bit it trains the body to attack is a protein on the outside of the virus. This protein is the part of the virus that means it’s able to get into our cells. Therefore if the virus mutates to something the vaccine doesn’t work on it will also have mutated in a way that makes it much less effective at getting into our cells.

 

[The Camel]

55 million adults in the UK, 2 million vaccinations a week, we’ll all be vaccinated by July.

Not taking account of the millions of pandemic deniers who’ll refuse the vaccines.

I wonder if we will asked to provide evidence we've been vaccinated before bveing allowed to buy a ticket

 

[The Optimist]

55 million adults in the UK, 2 million vaccinations a week, we’ll all be vaccinated by July.

Not taking account of the millions of pandemic deniers who’ll refuse the vaccines.

I haven’t been keeping up with the pace of vaccinations, I just remember the government originally targeting the autumn for every adult to have been offered it. If it’s quicker then great.

 

[Weststander]

I haven’t been keeping up with the pace of vaccinations, I just remember the government originally targeting the autumn for every adult to have been offered it. If it’s quicker then great.

It seems to be much quicker. Not doubling up on the Pfizer vaccine, sanctioned by the JCVI, also helps.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I wonder if we will asked to provide evidence we've been vaccinated before bveing allowed to buy a ticket

I think you are wondering a bit too much

 

[Creaky]

55 million adults in the UK, 2 million vaccinations a week, we’ll all be vaccinated by July.

Not taking account of the millions of pandemic deniers who’ll refuse the vaccines.

2 x 55 million vaccinations at 2 million a week will take over a year.

 

[Blue3]

No way any football with supporters for the rest of this season and I suspect we will still will be very playing in front of small crowds this time next year.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I had a stroke a couple of months ago and my typing has gone to shite as I can barely use my left hand any more.

Apologies.

Sorry to hear that. Hope your recovery is going well.
My guess is option 2. Infection rates will likely still be high in the spring/summer as under 16s and most adults will not have been vaccinated, even if deaths have reduced. I would expect a phased return of fans to stadiums.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

55 million adults in the UK, 2 million vaccinations a week, we’ll all be vaccinated by July.

Not taking account of the millions of pandemic deniers who’ll refuse the vaccines.

I enjoyed the sarcasm of your second sentence. You can be sure they will do no such thing and will be the first ones moaning if their vaccination is late. In a perfect world someone in authority would be taking names and bumping them to the bottom of the list.