[Food] US - Chlorine washed chicken vs chlorine washed salad

[Stat Brother]

What a silly thread, can't even be bothered to debate this one.

After post #2 you've got to wonder why there was a post #3.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

What kind of deviant opts for breast over dark meat?

Chicken nuggets, innit

 

[Uncle C]

Can I just reinforce the point that we are drinking chlorinated water in this Country.

 

[Bakero]

Can I just reinforce the point that we are drinking chlorinated water in this Country.

Have you read any of the posts on this thread?

 

[cloud]

Why not just be up front about this issue. Get people eating the rest of the chicken, teach people how to cook.

Instead of doing everything behind our backs, and hoping they can sneak this stuff to us via special offers and bonus Nectar points.

 

[goldstone]

As so many on here take issue with the potential for lower food standards if we have a trade deal with the US, I’d be interested if the same concerns which are voiced in regards to chlorine washed chicken also apply to the current use of chlorine to wash salad before it’s packed.

Personally, as long as the chicken is clearly marked, then surely it should be personal choice. Unless, of course, people just want to use it as a way yo attack any form of deal which isn’t with the EU.

Of course we should let it in if it gets us the trade deal we need. There's absolutely no need for anyone to buy it if they object to it. We eat it when we're over there though.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

Brexit means beakless chlorinated chicken.

Yummy!

That is what we voted for. We have our country back.

C/o PPNazi

 

[sahel]

If chlorine is to be used to disinfect salad, then for whatever reason we do not, or are unable to, take a proactive approach to keeping it safe for consumption, like we do our chickens.

I don't think many people have a real issue with chlorine being used to disinfect food - but more that the use of chlorine can be used to disguise poor hygiene at source, as it does in the states.

The main issue I have with importing chicken from the states is not the chlorine, but because of the poor animal welfare standards that means they require chlorine washing in the first place.

So it's a no thanks from me.

This is the point. They only have to use chlorine because the animal welfare is so appalling. Is that really what people want - cheap food, dreadful conditions ? Its all very well saying people should be able to make their own decisions but as we saw with Brexit we cant trust the people to make the right decision. Who wants to live in a UK overrun by battery chickens, flooded by cheap tv with no BBC, with an NHS run by US healthcare companies?

 

[knocky1]

Of course we should let it in if it gets us the trade deal we need. There's absolutely no need for anyone to buy it if they object to it. We eat it when we're over there though.

We’d lose our main export market for US imports. I don’t eat it when there.

 

[knocky1]

This is the point. They only have to use chlorine because the animal welfare is so appalling. Is that really what people want - cheap food, dreadful conditions ? Its all very well saying people should be able to make their own decisions but as we saw with Brexit we cant trust the people to make the right decision. Who wants to live in a UK overrun by battery chickens, flooded by cheap tv with no BBC, with an NHS run by US healthcare companies?

A Democratic majority of the population.

 

[Bakero]

This is the point. They only have to use chlorine because the animal welfare is so appalling. Is that really what people want - cheap food, dreadful conditions ? Its all very well saying people should be able to make their own decisions but as we saw with Brexit we cant trust the people to make the right decision. Who wants to live in a UK overrun by battery chickens, flooded by cheap tv with no BBC, with an NHS run by US healthcare companies?

It's the will of the people.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Can I just reinforce the point that we are drinking chlorinated water in this Country.

Indeed. My local company ( Thames Water ) puts it in the water supply. Most public swimming baths use it as well.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Halal meat
regards
DF

 

[Stat Brother]

Toasted teacakes
regards
SB

 

[Bold Seagull]

Halal meat
regards
DF

Yes, in the US chlorinated chicken is also used for Halal meat. Happy to help with any other confusing matters for you.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Yes, in the US chlorinated chicken is also used for Halal meat. Happy to help with any other confusing matters for you.

that will keep some parts of the country VERY happy
regards
DF

 

[sahel]

Indeed. My local company ( Thames Water ) puts it in the water supply. Most public swimming baths use it as well.

So what? How many times do you have to be told that it is not about food safety but animal welfare? Have you seen the conditions that chicken s are kept in in the US? For goodness get informed -its not difficult. Or do you just not care?

 

[Mo Gosfield]

This is the point. They only have to use chlorine because the animal welfare is so appalling. Is that really what people want - cheap food, dreadful conditions ? Its all very well saying people should be able to make their own decisions but as we saw with Brexit we cant trust the people to make the right decision. Who wants to live in a UK overrun by battery chickens, flooded by cheap tv with no BBC, with an NHS run by US healthcare companies?

But we import hundreds of thousands of tonnes of battery reared chicken from Taiwan and Thailand. The majority used in the UK catering trade comes from these sources. Cafes, restaurants, fast food outlets, sandwich bars, pubs, hotels and more all use it, many unknowingly, supplied through wholesale chains. A lot of it comes in in frozen format and at source it is usually washed in chlorine. There is a high level of South American product coming in as well and their welfare standards leave a lot to be desired ( the Corned Beef scandal demonstrates this )
For years, Dutch pig producers, using intensive methods, have been allowed to flood the UK with their bulk product aimed at the catering market because they got away with their lower standards. Only recently, after stricter environmental regulations were forced into the main pig producing province of North Brabant have standards been forced to rise
And this was all under the ' watchful eye ' of the EU! Dutch experts expect the number of pig farms to drop by more than 3000 in the next ten years. Whilst the Dutch have been allowed to get away with it, our pork farmers, producing higher quality product at a premium price have been forced to take a tiny share of the market.
We have two distinctly different market places in this country. The supermarket/retail sector with high visibility and traceability. The catering sector, where a lot more product is used that comes from sources with dubious animal welfare standards. Too many people don't have a clue about the UK food trade but are now jumping on the bandwagon and overreacting about the possibility of chlorinated chicken coming in from the States. The majority of us have been consuming this type of product for years and have known absolutely nothing about it.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

So what? How many times do you have to be told that it is not about food safety but animal welfare? Have you seen the conditions that chicken s are kept in in the US? For goodness get informed -its not difficult. Or do you just not care?

Trust you have now read my reply...as above. It may enlighten you, as you may not be that experienced in the food trade.

 

[sahel]

But we import hundreds of thousands of tonnes of battery reared chicken from Taiwan and Thailand. The majority used in the UK catering trade comes from these sources. Cafes, restaurants, fast food outlets, sandwich bars, pubs, hotels and more all use it, many unknowingly, supplied through wholesale chains. A lot of it comes in in frozen format and at source it is usually washed in chlorine. There is a high level of South American product coming in as well and their welfare standards leave a lot to be desired ( the Corned Beef scandal demonstrates this )
For years, Dutch pig producers, using intensive methods, have been allowed to flood the UK with their bulk product aimed at the catering market because they got away with their lower standards. Only recently, after stricter environmental regulations were forced into the main pig producing province of North Brabant have standards been forced to rise
And this was all under the ' watchful eye ' of the EU! Dutch experts expect the number of pig farms to drop by more than 3000 in the next ten years. Whilst the Dutch have been allowed to get away with it, our pork farmers, producing higher quality product at a premium price have been forced to take a tiny share of the market.
We have two distinctly different market places in this country. The supermarket/retail sector with high visibility and traceability. The catering sector, where a lot more product is used that comes from sources with dubious animal welfare standards. Too many people don't have a clue about the UK food trade but are now jumping on the bandwagon and overreacting about the possibility of chlorinated chicken coming in from the States. The majority of us have been consuming this type of product for years and have known absolutely nothing about it.

Good points - you obviously know a lot about it. I would just say that it will not help matters to add US chlorinated chicken to the mess. Personally I now only buy organic foodstuffs and we can all make that choice. Interestingly I see that only today there is news of rapid growth of organic sales