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[Offers] UFO:s & aliens
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"Yet"? Its not like its a different country...if there is intelligent life somewhere out there, they could potentially be 500 million (or whatever number) years ahead of us in technological development. Impossible to know, but very unlikely that the guys over att planet Gorak X37 were riding Trabants fifty years ago; it would be a completely different world. The universe is supposedly 10+ billion plus years old and we've supposedly been around for 200 000 years.
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Yeah... if you reach that point of technological development it would seem likely that you would be able to do it in an easier manner as well. Like the way we use bug spray. Or mind control us and us as sex slaves or miners or whatever they would be horny for. Or perhaps most potential creatures out in space would have no clue about the concept of war and violence - that part could just be some human, twisted projection.
Winker
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The ancient Sumerian civilization which emerged 7000 years ago in Mesopotamia knew all about aliens, they called them the Annunaki.
The clay tablets the Sumerians left behind describe how the Annunaki came to earth and created homo sapiens by the genetic engineering of earlier humanoid forms. That is why no-one has been able to find the missing link, it also explains the creation stories like Adam & Eve etc. Fascinating subject if you open your minds. How did the Sumerians know about Pluto?
If you need proof of advanced technology in the past then look at the giant pyramids of Giza (and Bosnia) or the way the ancient walls of Peru etc were built, we couldn't do that today.
The clay tablets the Sumerians left behind describe how the Annunaki came to earth and created homo sapiens by the genetic engineering of earlier humanoid forms. That is why no-one has been able to find the missing link, it also explains the creation stories like Adam & Eve etc. Fascinating subject if you open your minds. How did the Sumerians know about Pluto?
If you need proof of advanced technology in the past then look at the giant pyramids of Giza (and Bosnia) or the way the ancient walls of Peru etc were built, we couldn't do that today.
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- #46
Its possible, but what would be the purpose?
OzMike
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With such a vast universe it would be stupid to think that we are the only habited plant.
It is because of this vastness that nothing is coming or has come here.
It is because of this vastness that nothing is coming or has come here.
That was my first point, before I made the mistake of engaging with 'believers'. I also used to foolishly engage with the 'god is in us' brigade. Schoolboy error.
There are those who maintain it is good to 'believe' without evidence, as an 'act of faith'. Clearly the rest of us have nothing to discuss with them (unless they are 'recruiting', in which case the answer is 'bugger off').
There are others who beieve but also feel the need to label things as evidence (or worse, 'proof'). You don't need proof to support a belief. This is like religious type who feel the need to lable things as 'signs from god' or wose, 'miracles'. OK, mate.
There is no evidence for the existence of extraterrestrials, let alone that they pay us visits. Fact. If someone has actual evidence, why not share it, rather than spark up a massive spliff and nod sagely? And please note, the url of a conspiracy web site, now taken down, is not evidence
Not 'stupid', but I would agree that it would be jumping the gun, and rather pointless musing, exactly because of your second point with which I agree, and would add 'and never will' for reasons discussed earlier (in points that someone was moved to describe as old bollocks - presumably as a joke).
boik
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That was my first point, before I made the mistake of engaging with 'believers'. I also used to foolishly engage with the 'god is in us' brigade. Schoolboy error.
There are those who maintain it is good to 'believe' without evidence, as an 'act of faith'. Clearly the rest of us have nothing to discuss with them (unless they are 'recruiting', in which case the answer is 'bugger off').
There are others who beieve but also feel the need to label things as evidence (or worse, 'proof'). You don't need proof to support a belief. This is like religious type who feel the need to lable things as 'signs from god' or wose, 'miracles'. OK, mate.
There is no evidence for the existence of extraterrestrials, let alone that they pay us visits. Fact. If someone has actual evidence, why not share it, rather than spark up a massive spliff and nod sagely? And please note, the url of a conspiracy web site, now taken down, is not evidence
It's the same when trying to argue with believers in spiritualism. There is no genuine evidence, but people interpret things they don't understand as evidence to support their belief. Aliens and people from the other side could both give us conclusive proof in a heartbeat, and yet they don't.
And when you ask why there is no proof they say that to demand proof is to deny faith (I think John Cleese satirised it in a speech in Life of Brian).I sometimes feel a bit uncomfortable crushing the heart-felt dreams of self-deluded, but they seem to bounce back quickly, delusions intact. Right, actual work becons...
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That was my first point, before I made the mistake of engaging with 'believers'. I also used to foolishly engage with the 'god is in us' brigade. Schoolboy error.
There are those who maintain it is good to 'believe' without evidence, as an 'act of faith'. Clearly the rest of us have nothing to discuss with them (unless they are 'recruiting', in which case the answer is 'bugger off').
There are others who beieve but also feel the need to label things as evidence (or worse, 'proof'). You don't need proof to support a belief. This is like religious type who feel the need to lable things as 'signs from god' or wose, 'miracles'. OK, mate.
There is no evidence for the existence of extraterrestrials, let alone that they pay us visits. Fact. If someone has actual evidence, why not share it, rather than spark up a massive spliff and nod sagely? And please note, the url of a conspiracy web site, now taken down, is not evidence
So your point is the same that the guy who insinuated that "they" dont have the technology for this, so they cant visit us yet. Are you honestly not able to see the flawed logics in this? That "they", if existing, could been a totally different stage of technological development?
As for evidence, it is possible that things exist without evidence being publicly available to everyone. Its called classified information, you can google it if you want a sense of it. There are also most likely also things that exist but havent been proven at this point.
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I sometimes feel a bit uncomfortable crushing the heart-felt dreams of self-deluded, but they seem to bounce back quickly, delusions intact. Right, actual work becons...
Dealing with mouldy academics is as hopeless. Always dogmatic, always condescending. Always the same. They've read some books, get on their high horses and believe themselves to be all-knowiing, either unaware or, hopefully, unbothered that a lot of people understand that "yes, you did the reading, but you didnt do the thinking".
Papa Lazarou
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In that case, what are the evidence for his statement?
boik
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Of course they might have such technology. But so far all of Einsteins (and others) observations of how the universe basically works have stood up to all scrutiny. For Aliens to have got here, they must have such technology (unlikely, but impossible to rule out) and then decided to aim for for our little spot from millions of light years away and probably millions of years ago. In fact they would almost have certainly have to have set out long before there were any humans to aim for, and certainly long before there were any signals from a seemingly deserted planet to attract them.
Not 100% impossible, but so close that I am happy to rule it out unless presented with any evidence.
Enjoy your daydreams.
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Considering the alleged size and age of universe, it seem a lot more possible than impossible, as I see it. But lets agree to disagree.
And thank you, I will
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Many academics are mouldy (some are positively crusty) but without them we’d still be living in mud huts dying from minor cuts and ailments.
Just because you don’t like someone’s opinion\ view which in this case is based on laws of physics doesn’t mean you can be a ****.
It’s the same laws that allow you to have a phone, the internet and all other mod cons. You can’t have both ways!
It’s like flat earthers. If the world was flat your smart phone wouldn’t work, doesn’t stop them using one and many other forms of technology based upon satellites comms.
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boik
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That sounds like you think I'm saying that aliens don't exist, which I haven't ruled out at all. I'm just saying that they haven't been here yet IF they exist. If you think it's more possible that they have visited than they haven't then I think you're seriously deluded. Your argument about the size of the universe makes it LESS possible that any have visited rather than MORE possible.