[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[JBizzle]

It's nonsense, about time both parties admit they have zero ideas how to fix the problem.

Hang on, why would Labour admit they have zero ideas on the day when they have literally just presented several of them as part of their plan? In particular:

• Starmer indicated he could do a deal with Brussels involving the UK taking a quota of asylum seekers who arrive in the bloc in exchange for being able to return people who cross the Channel - Challenging, I agree but he's not coming at it from the position of open hostility that the last few Tory leaders have.
• Labour also plans to pay for more asylum caseworkers to help clear the backlog of more than 175,000 asylum seekers awaiting an initial decision on their application

The 2nd point is arguably the biggest problem around UK migration: just hire more caseworkers, then maybe you wouldn't have to waste billions on tax payer money failing to send any immigrants to Rwanda or buying a massive barge full of putrid water and bacteria.

They aren't groundbreaking, but they are ideas

 

[Greg Bobkin]

And here we go, the campaign to make the thickest, nastiest ****s in the Country vote Tory in the next election by wealthy non-dom ****ers has truly begun:

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The funny thing is, there's enough people – a lot of them probably readers of that particular publication – who seem to love nothing more than to wang on about how the doors – floodgates, is probably what they'd say – are ALREADY open. 'Were [sic] full up', etc etc.

But yeah, anything to get people frothing at the gash about the other 'side'. Given the way that drivel is presented, it could almost be described as project fear...

 

[WATFORD zero]

It's nonsense, about time both parties admit they have zero ideas how to fix the problem.

Well let's face it, putting back any of the measures this cabal removed to get us into 'this state' would definitely 'fix the problem' and it looks like Starmer has picked up on a couple of them

1. Reinstate the ability to claim Asylum from abroad
2. Reopen legal Asylum routes to allow claimants
3. Work with Interpol again to target people traffickers
3. Re-employ more caseworkers to clear the backlog

It's hardly f***ing rocket science is it

 

[Machiavelli]

It's nonsense, about time both parties admit they have zero ideas how to fix the problem.

Can I advise that you don't go into this party politics game?

 

[beorhthelm]

Hang on, why would Labour admit they have zero ideas on the day when they have literally just presented several of them as part of their plan? In particular:

• Starmer indicated he could do a deal with Brussels involving the UK taking a quota of asylum seekers who arrive in the bloc in exchange for being able to return people who cross the Channel - Challenging, I agree but he's not coming at it from the position of open hostility that the last few Tory leaders have.
• Labour also plans to pay for more asylum caseworkers to help clear the backlog of more than 175,000 asylum seekers awaiting an initial decision on their application

The 2nd point is arguably the biggest problem around UK migration: just hire more caseworkers, then maybe you wouldn't have to waste billions on tax payer money failing to send any immigrants to Rwanda or buying a massive barge full of putrid water and bacteria.

They aren't groundbreaking, but they are ideas

that second point is the easiest - just let them through. as we're told ~90% are approved, seems daft to employ lots of people to laboriously process the inevitable approval. direct funds to the larger problem of finding accommodation, whether they are being processed or given leave to remain, they still need somewhere to live. need to crack on with converting ex military bases, other gov or public sector land into cheap semi-permanent housing.

 

[Acker79]

The 2nd point is arguably the biggest problem around UK migration: just hire more caseworkers, then maybe you wouldn't have to waste billions on tax payer money failing to send any immigrants to Rwanda or buying a massive barge full of putrid water and bacteria.

I don't think it's that they want to waste money failing to send them to Rwanda or buying poined barges. They don't want to process them, so they can talk about how few immigrants came in on their watch. When labour process the claim and let most of them in, they will then talk about open border policy of labour to win back votes form those that default to fear of foreigners, or want to blame outsiders for all their woes.

 

[WATFORD zero]

that second point is the easiest - just let them through. as we're told ~90% are approved, seems daft to employ lots of people to laboriously process the inevitable approval. direct funds to the larger problem of finding accommodation, whether they are being processed or given leave to remain, they still need somewhere to live. need to crack on with converting ex military bases, other gov or public sector land into cheap semi-permanent housing.

Almost @carlzeiss's

Alternatively those that are processed with valid claims could live and work where all the other millions of people in the UK live and work

I do hope I get a moronic thumbsup now the teenage strop has finished

 

[beorhthelm]

Alternatively those that are processed with valid claims could live and work where all the other millions of people in the UK live and work

well yes, but we do have a problem with that at the moment. some provision would be needed for the immigrants while they find their way to some work. i sense you think i'm joking. i dont see any practical solution other than accept the immigrants. however they are managed on arrival, providing housing seems the most important immediate problem.

 

[WATFORD zero]

well yes, but we do have a problem with that at the moment. some provision would be needed for the immigrants while they find their way to some work. i sense you think i'm joking. i dont see any practical solution other than accept the immigrants. however they are managed on arrival, providing housing seems the most important immediate problem.

And yet again, on a discussion about Asylum seekers, and how they are dealt with when they arrive in the UK under this cabal's 'rules', you introduce the term 'immigrants' who, unless you can prove to me otherwise, aren't being threatened with being sent to Rwanda, being stuck on barges or put in 'camps' but it suits your narrative.

I use to think it was because you weren't too bright, but after the difference between immigrants and asylum seekers is explained time and time again, and yet you still continue you must be able to see why you are compared to @carlzeiss but even more stupid

And I have seen enough of your posts to know you're not stupid, so why do you do it

 

[JBizzle]

that second point is the easiest - just let them through. as we're told ~90% are approved, seems daft to employ lots of people to laboriously process the inevitable approval. direct funds to the larger problem of finding accommodation, whether they are being processed or given leave to remain, they still need somewhere to live. need to crack on with converting ex military bases, other gov or public sector land into cheap semi-permanent housing.

Yes, that and all the time they aren't processed the more they can point at steadily filling up camps and continue to blame them for the fact Mike in Chatham can't get a doctor's appointment

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Hang on, why would Labour admit they have zero ideas on the day when they have literally just presented several of them as part of their plan? In particular:

• Starmer indicated he could do a deal with Brussels involving the UK taking a quota of asylum seekers who arrive in the bloc in exchange for being able to return people who cross the Channel - Challenging, I agree but he's not coming at it from the position of open hostility that the last few Tory leaders have.
• Labour also plans to pay for more asylum caseworkers to help clear the backlog of more than 175,000 asylum seekers awaiting an initial decision on their application

The 2nd point is arguably the biggest problem around UK migration: just hire more caseworkers, then maybe you wouldn't have to waste billions on tax payer money failing to send any immigrants to Rwanda or buying a massive barge full of putrid water and bacteria.

They aren't groundbreaking, but they are ideas

These are as likely to happen as Rwanda is.

Will Brussels agree to it? Doubtful asking individual states to take more from the UK has no benefits for them, they have already said it's unlikely.

What might work is if you do it on a county by country basis and do Individual deals, still unlikely in most cases I imagine.

Claiming the EU will happily take more is on par with claiming we can control borders after leaving the EU, I'm sure the French and Spanish population will love it.

You might be able to speed it up slightly, but I find it doubtful the numbers on the waiting list will drop dramatically.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Well let's face it, putting back any of the measures this cabal removed to get us into 'this state' would definitely 'fix the problem' and it looks like Starmer has picked up on a couple of them

1. Reinstate the ability to claim Asylum from abroad
2. Reopen legal Asylum routes to allow claimants
3. Work with Interpol again to target people traffickers
3. Re-employ more caseworkers to clear the backlog

It's hardly f***ing rocket science is it

1/2 Do you think that will stop people traffickers? these scumbags are the issue at the moment. I'm not sure legal routes will have any impact on them.

3. Would be nice, I don't think there is the will to do so, once they are in the EU they want them out, thanks to Brexit UK is the easiest option.

 

[nicko31]

Well let's face it, putting back any of the measures this cabal removed to get us into 'this state' would definitely 'fix the problem' and it looks like Starmer has picked up on a couple of them

1. Reinstate the ability to claim Asylum from abroad
2. Reopen legal Asylum routes to allow claimants
3. Work with Interpol again to target people traffickers
3. Re-employ more caseworkers to clear the backlog

It's hardly f***ing rocket science is it

Leaving Europol, losing to access EU Schengen databases, very very dumb....

 

[chickens]

1/2 Do you think that will stop people traffickers? these scumbags are the issue at the moment. I'm not sure legal routes will have any impact on them.

3. Would be nice, I don't think there is the will to do so, once they are in the EU they want them out, thanks to Brexit UK is the easiest option.

1/2 people traffickers will keep plying their trade, but they’re hardly a much loved part of any country’s society. Any individual with a legitimate claim would go through the legal route given the choice. Why?

A) cheaper
B) more certain than being shoved into an overcrowded dinghy with little food or drinking water
C) the official process may be slow but it’s documented and there’s a degree of fairness to it. Reasons have to be given, appeal is possible if the claimant feels the decision hasn’t taken the relevant information into account.

Legitimate claim routes via embassies make it much simpler to sort the wheat from the chaff. If there are legal avenues by which asylum can be claimed before an individual reaches Britain, then those claims can be assessed, ID cross-checked against local criminal records etc.

When you close all legal avenues for claiming asylum except by turning up in Britain, you get thousands of unchecked, unvetted asylum seekers with no ID and no way of determining genuine need from fraudulent claim.

This issue is largely (almost wholly) of this Conservative government’s making. They’ve poured petrol on quite a small bin fire, and managed to turn it into a forest fire.

As for 3, if the EU feel they’re negotiating with adults who are negotiating in good faith, we may make more headway than the Johnson tactic of openly slagging the EU off in our domestic press, and then going back to the negotiating table with everyone in the room having read whatever nonsense he’s just said in the Daily Mail.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Forget Russell Brand of XL Bully Dogs. The real problem facing this great country of ours is that of Labour extending the lefty woke 20mph speed limit.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Honestly don’t believe for one second that the EU will enter into any form of ‘migrants return’ scheme with the UK, simply won’t happen- Sir Keir sounding a bit like Cameron explaining how we were going to get a new agreement with the EU before the referendum.

We had that agreement whilst in the EU. It was called the Belfast Agreement but was thrown away with Brexit.

 

[Gwylan]

We had that agreement whilst in the EU. It was called the Belfast Agreement but was thrown away with Brexit.

Wrong Irish capital: it was the Dublin Agreement. But, yes, it was thrown away after Brexit

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Wrong Irish capital: it was the Dublin Agreement. But, yes, it was thrown away after Brexit

I knew it was something like that. Thanks.

 

[WATFORD zero]

1/2 Do you think that will stop people traffickers? these scumbags are the issue at the moment. I'm not sure legal routes will have any impact on them.

3. Would be nice, I don't think there is the will to do so, once they are in the EU they want them out, thanks to Brexit UK is the easiest option.

These are the exact steps that the current cabal took to create the 'problem'. I am interested why you don't think reversing those steps would get rid of it

And in case you need a reminder of when the problem was created

There are no records prior to 2018 as the Government considered them "Inconsequential"
2018 - 299
2019 - 1,890
2020 - 8,466
2021 - 28,526
2022 - 45,755

 

[St Leonards Seagull]

I don't think it's that they want to waste money failing to send them to Rwanda or buying poined barges. They don't want to process them, so they can talk about how few immigrants came in on their watch. When labour process the claim and let most of them in, they will then talk about open border policy of labour to win back votes form those that default to fear of foreigners, or want to blame outsiders for all their woes.

Exactly, why fix the problem when it’s their number one vote winner. Don’t worry about healthcare going down the pan, schools collapsing, corruption in government, inflation, that not one cabinet member appears halfway competent etc. Let’s stop these “immigrants” coming over here, scapegoating them for all the countries ills. Nothing to do with us we have done all we can over the last 13 years.

It’s politics from the Trump playbook, I’ve not seen one rational argument for anyone to vote Tory. It’s hate politics.