[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

That would be the Tugendhat that opposed Brexit but now wants to "unleash its benefits"? They'll say anything to get what they want. Not a principled one amongst them. Utter shower.

TBF, his comments on Brexit almost mirror those of Starmer - neither wanted it, but both realise there's no going back.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Sadly, for better or worse (and I know which way I'd vote!), we're kinda stuck with Brexit....for now, at least. I like the fact that he opposed Brexit, initially - at least there's hope for him.

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Exactly this.

 

[Goldstone1976]

Could I remind folk that a thread is no place to carry out 1:1 spats. A couple of posts each way is fair enough; if it carries on much beyond that, both parties will find themselves thread banned.

Glad to see the latest spat is now over.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I admit i'm torn between the short term imperative to having a more sensible and functioning government (so maybe Sunak) and the medium term wanting them to appoint a complete nutter, maybe Braverman, to increase the chances of a Labour victory and give the tory MP's the shoeing they so richly deserve

 

[birthofanorange]

Could I remind folk that a thread is no place to carry out 1:1 spats. A couple of posts each way is fair enough; if it carries on much beyond that, both parties will find themselves thread banned.

Glad to see the latest spat is now over.

Yes, apologies for getting 'stuck in' so to speak, although I genuinely was responding (in a fair way, I thought) to a posed question.

I shall endeavour to show greater restraint.

 

[Si Gull]

TBF, his comments on Brexit almost mirror those of Starmer - neither wanted it, but both realise there's no going back.

No going back I agree with but to now claim he wants to "unleash its benefits" is taking the piss. After all that happened with Johnson surely it's time for politicians to either be honest or shut the **** up.

 

[nicko31]

Well they can't come out with it now.

Most people now have a weary acceptance that what is said to get elected is never going to happen when they finally get into office. Even Starmer, to be fair, said a load of socialist stuff to get the gig, is moving to the centre, and would probably govern somewhere in the middle of those positions.

None of these tories are going to go for the aggressive tax cutting they are talking about now and the other MP's and members know it. It's just not possible. They do it, I think, to create a perception of their persona

I'm not talking about saying stuff to get the gig. I'm talking about obeying an International treaty the country signed up to

 

[dazzer6666]

I admit i'm torn between the short term imperative to having a more sensible and functioning government (so maybe Sunak) and the medium term wanting them to appoint a complete nutter, maybe Braverman, to increase the chances of a Labour victory and give the tory MP's the shoeing they so richly deserve

Definitely the former for me…ideally a more humble, collaborative lot prepared to recognise how shit Johnson and his cronies have been……mostly because the potential long term very negative effects (particularly economic) of more lunatics running the asylum for another couple of years will take years and years to reverse and cause untold damage. Add to that, Labour aren’t ready to govern yet anyway IMO (not that they could possibly be worse than the last year or two). So…..get some sort of stability in place, strengthen the opposition in the meantime and then when we come to a GE maybe there will be a true choice, with whoever wins not having a big majority so they can’t do what they want and stick two fingers up to us all.

I know….fanciful wishing on my part

 

[Eric the meek]

I admit i'm torn between the short term imperative to having a more sensible and functioning government (so maybe Sunak) and the medium term wanting them to appoint a complete nutter, maybe Braverman, to increase the chances of a Labour victory and give the tory MP's the shoeing they so richly deserve

I know what you mean. Braverman has got potential but is still in training. For a proper nutter, look no further than Priti Patel, who I'm disappointed isn't in the running.

Then we would have all sorts of material about Rwanda, and her previous wheeze of a wave machine to capsize the migrants' dinghies.
All that would have been needed to complete the job, would have been a few great white sharks in the channel to dispose of the evidence.

 

[BBassic]

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[WATFORD zero]

TBF, his comments on Brexit almost mirror those of Starmer - neither wanted it, but both realise there's no going back.

And, unfortunately with the unimplementable NIP, Import controls that, if implemented would be an 'act of self harm', exports still crashing and companies going out of business daily as a result, not much of a way forward either

 

[birthofanorange]

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You know, for one horrific moment, I was expecting that to be real.

 

[Fungus]

You know, for one horrific moment, I was expecting that to be real.

Me too. Didn’t bother watching though - it couldn’t have been as funny as the real thing.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Definitely the former for me…ideally a more humble, collaborative lot prepared to recognise how shit Johnson and his cronies have been……mostly because the potential long term very negative effects (particularly economic) of more lunatics running the asylum for another couple of years will take years and years to reverse and cause untold damage. Add to that, Labour aren’t ready to govern yet anyway IMO (not that they could possibly be worse than the last year or two). So…..get some sort of stability in place, strengthen the opposition in the meantime and then when we come to a GE maybe there will be a true choice, with whoever wins not having a big majority so they can’t do what they want and stick two fingers up to us all.

I know….fanciful wishing on my part

Under normal circumstances I would agree completely, but the 2.5 years of Government? we have just had and the resulting impending economic disaster is not going to be avoided by someone trying to 'stabilise' the situation. It's too late for that and I believe that only some radical changes will stop the direction of travel or, at best slow the currently increasing velocity.

I think it's become fairly obvious in the last 48 hrs that none of the somewhat expansive field of candidates has the appetite for that. Sadly, I can't see anything ahead, but more of the same

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If anyone can stomach it and double the audience, this could be comedy gold. I'll be watching the Lionesses.

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[Iggle Piggle]

I admit i'm torn between the short term imperative to having a more sensible and functioning government (so maybe Sunak) and the medium term wanting them to appoint a complete nutter, maybe Braverman, to increase the chances of a Labour victory and give the tory MP's the shoeing they so richly deserve

I'm curious why people think Sunak would be the most sensible choice for a functioning government? I appreciate this is the majority view given he is favourite to win at the minute (7/4 ish on Betfair) but I just can't get my head around it. He has been very much part of this Governments complete shitshow and is the worst of the worst in the last cabinet. Personally, I'm team anything but Sunak. He would be worse than Johnson catering for Big bizniz, sod the poor in the cost of living crisis but make sure his rich mates are well and truely looked after.

In my eyes, Jeremy Hunt is probably the least worst option but he will never get the 1922 lunatic votes so has no chance as Brexit has cleared the sensible ones out. To that end, whoever we get is going to make promises about going even further right than we are today to scoop up the MP vote. At this rate Tommy Robinson could chuck his hat in.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

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Can anyone with the name Sooz really be taken seriously?

 

[birthofanorange]

If anyone can stomach it and double the audience, this could be comedy gold. I'll be watching the Lionesses.

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The voyeuristic part of me would love to watch this car crash, but I truly couldn't bring myself to watch that 'news' channel.
I'll wait for the ensuing deets to come out and read them, instead.

 

[Simster]

I'm curious why people think Sunak would be the most sensible choice for a functioning government? I appreciate this is the majority view given he is favourite to win at the minute (7/4 ish on Betfair) but I just can't get my head around it. He has been very much part of this Governments complete shitshow and is the worst of the worst in the last cabinet. Personally, I'm team anything but Sunak. He would be worse than Johnson catering for Big bizniz, sod the poor in the cost of living crisis but make sure his rich mates are well and truely looked after.

In my eyes, Jeremy Hunt is probably the least worst option but he will never get the 1922 lunatic votes so has no chance as Brexit has cleared the sensible ones out. To that end, whoever we get is going to make promises about going even further right than we are today to scoop up the MP vote. At this rate Tommy Robinson could chuck his hat in.

Exactly this, every single word.

Look no further than the fact that Sunak didn't want to put a windfall tax on energy firms while the country's poor are on their knees. His reasoning was "it discourages investment". If you're thinking that is what all tax does but is a necessary evil to make society function, then you'd be right. What Sunak actually meant was that taxing energy firms would lead to some awkward dinner party conversations with his chums on the energy boards.

He then did so - just the months after ALL the opposition parties had called for it - only to cover up the latest government shit show.

Of a terrible terrible selection, Jeremy Hunt is probably the least bad option. Christ that is absurd. We have to get rid of this shower FFS.

 

[birthofanorange]

I'm curious why people think Sunak would be the most sensible choice for a functioning government? I appreciate this is the majority view given he is favourite to win at the minute (7/4 ish on Betfair) but I just can't get my head around it. He has been very much part of this Governments complete shitshow and is the worst of the worst in the last cabinet. Personally, I'm team anything but Sunak. He would be worse than Johnson catering for Big bizniz, sod the poor in the cost of living crisis but make sure his rich mates are well and truely looked after.

In my eyes, Jeremy Hunt is probably the least worst option but he will never get the 1922 lunatic votes so has no chance as Brexit has cleared the sensible ones out. To that end, whoever we get is going to make promises about going even further right than we are today to scoop up the MP vote. At this rate Tommy Robinson could chuck his hat in.

I can only assume that people are affording him a sense of 'seniority' and/or experience, that will provide the better option, plus, as I actually heard someone say, "He looks the part".