[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[dazzer6666]

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[zefarelly]

Britain changed PM
four times in the war in Afghanistan
in the Iraq War
in the Gulf War
in the Korean War
in the Second World War
in the First World War
in the Second Boer War
in the Second Opium War
in the Crimean War
twice in the Peninsular War

And, we aren’t actually in the current Ukraine war.

If anyone can find a way, Boris can.

 

[BLOCK F]

As a Tory I can respect, please explain how those three could honestly have been any worse than the people we have running the country. I am not a socialist, and hate the way the left keep sniping at Starmer - apparently because he played politics and binned off these people who simply couldn't win a GE for the reason you outlined - but surely Corbyn would have been far less of a disaster than the people running things now who have been nothing short of an absolute disgrace.

Hi Simster,
It rather depends on what you mean by worse.
I certainly can’t see Jezza attending party after party in the No 10 gardens, he just isn’t that sort of person, but I wouldn’t rule out some of his acolytes getting it down their necks on the odd occasions.
Seriously though, you ask a good question and quite frankly, it is a sad reflection on politics today that we had a choice between Johnson and Corbyn to be the next PM. Neither candidate was suitable for high office and neither do I believe were McDonnell and Abbott( granted, nor is Priti Patel). I believe that the hard left socialist views of Corbyn and McDonnell backed by the loons of Momentum had the ability to do substantial damage to not only the country, but also the moderate members of the Labour Party and its MPs.You and I will probably disagree!
As a Conservative voter, I had no fear of a Government led by Tony Blair, but I have to say, the thought of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott, gave me the shits and it obviously had the same effect on a lot of other voters.
Johnson is a shameful shyster, totally unsuited to be PM and I would be delighted to see him resign, but unless he is forced, I don’t think he will go. As far as the Labour Party is concerned, I am pleased that Starmer appears to have got rid of most of the hard left Corbynistas and I am pleased to see the likes of Yvette Cooper back in the game. In fact, I think she could make a good leader.
To sum up, I don’t think the Partygate shenanigans that have happened under Johnson would have necessarily happened under Corbyn’s reign, but I think the damage that may have been wrought to the country by a far left Government could have been worse than any incompetence displayed by the Tory administration.You and I will probably disagree on this!
We have, of course, had a most extraordinary time since the election with Brexit, which I strongly disagreed with, then Covid and finally the dreadful war in Ukraine. I have to say that I reckon a Corbyn Government would have done much the same with Covid as the present administration have.They would have had the same advice, forecasts, and opinions from the same advisers that this Government has. Mistakes would have been made and some successses would have been had. I do wonder, though, what Corbyn and McDonnell’s stance would have been over Putin’s appalling war in Ukraine. I am sure that thought Has gone through many minds.
Hope all is well with you and your family in Reigate; my wife and I still visit frequently as we are trying to sell mother in laws flat as she has gone into a nursing home. I see Crispin Blunt made an absolute fool of himself the other day. I have to say, when I met him a few years back, I thought he was a very odd man.

 

[Eric the meek]

'Demand refunds on all our Tory donations. They're not getting another ruble out of me.
I didn't give my hard-earned for this lot to piss it up against the wall. They're bringing Russia into disrepute' - V. Putin speaking to the Kremlin earlier.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Hi Simster,
It rather depends on what you mean by worse.
I certainly can’t see Jezza attending party after party in the No 10 gardens, he just isn’t that sort of person, but I wouldn’t rule out some of his acolytes getting it down their necks on the odd occasions.
Seriously though, you ask a good question and quite frankly, it is a sad reflection on politics today that we had a choice between Johnson and Corbyn to be the next PM. Neither candidate was suitable for high office and neither do I believe were McDonnell and Abbott( granted, nor is Priti Patel). I believe that the hard left socialist views of Corbyn and McDonnell backed by the loons of Momentum had the ability to do substantial damage to not only the country, but also the moderate members of the Labour Party and its MPs.You and I will probably disagree!
As a Conservative voter, I had no fear of a Government led by Tony Blair, but I have to say, the thought of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott, gave me the shits and it obviously had the same effect on a lot of other voters.
Johnson is a shameful shyster, totally unsuited to be PM and I would be delighted to see him resign, but unless he is forced, I don’t think he will go. As far as the Labour Party is concerned, I am pleased that Starmer appears to have got rid of most of the hard left Corbynistas and I am pleased to see the likes of Yvette Cooper back in the game. In fact, I think she could make a good leader.
To sum up, I don’t think the Partygate shenanigans that have happened under Johnson would have necessarily happened under Corbyn’s reign, but I think the damage that may have been wrought to the country by a far left Government could have been worse than any incompetence displayed by the Tory administration.You and I will probably disagree on this!
We have, of course, had a most extraordinary time since the election with Brexit, which I strongly disagreed with, then Covid and finally the dreadful war in Ukraine. I have to say that I reckon a Corbyn Government would have done much the same with Covid as the present administration have.They would have had the same advice, forecasts, and opinions from the same advisers that this Government has. Mistakes would have been made and some successses would have been had. I do wonder, though, what Corbyn and McDonnell’s stance would have been over Putin’s appalling war in Ukraine. I am sure that thought Has gone through many minds.
Hope all is well with you and your family in Reigate; my wife and I still visit frequently as we are trying to sell mother in laws flat as she has gone into a nursing home. I see Crispin Blunt made an absolute fool of himself the other day. I have to say, when I met him a few years back, I thought he was a very odd man.

You echo a lot of my thoughts on the subject. The choice between Johnson and Corbyn was like watching Portsmouth V Palace in the FA Cup final and having to cheer one on. If you think back to the Salisbury poison incident, Jezza's bright idea was to send it back to Russia and see what they thought. He'd have been a complete shambles with the Ukraine situation right now. Given the antics of his brother during covid, I'm not sure he'd have been a safer pair of hands during that crisis either. Back to the football analogy it's like choosing between Akpom and Obika up front in the Amex area. I don't want either.

Starmer seems a safe enough pair of hands to me but there is still a solid 30% voting for the current incumbent during polls. If the previous few years hasnt convinced that 30% he is unsuitable, I'm not sure what will. There are a number of people out there that are unwilling to change their views no matter what eveidence is thrown their way.

 

[A1X]

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[The Clamp]

We have a convicted criminal as our leader. And that isn’t even the worst thing on his CV / rap-sheet.

If I had that on my record I wouldn’t be hired to do the job I do now. He is Prime Minister.

If someone applying for asylum had that on their record, they’d be refused.

If someone newly running for MP had that on their record, they’d be disqualified outright.

The Prime Minister of Great Britain has a record that would rule him out of even running for local counsellor.


Think about that.

 

[rippleman]

I'm not sure but from my list that appears to be the first party being investigated. I understood these fines today we were from party number 3, but there was mention of the 30 fines being the 30 attendees from the 100 invitees, which I believe was that first 'garden' party

It's almost as if someone is muddying the waters and doesn't want the truth to come out, but I'm sure that isn't the case

Of course they are trying to muddy the waters. All the Met has to do is publish a list of those who have been issued fines and for which of the parties the fines have been issued. But they won't will they?

There will have been senior policy-making civil servants at some/all of those parties. Let's cover up who they were. There will have been MPs at some of those parties. Maybe yours or mine. Let's cover up who they were. There will have been other government ministers at those parties. Let's cover them up. There may have been the next leader of the Tory Party at some of those parties. Let's cover them up.

The whole thing stinks. The whole thing is shameful. We can only now place our faith in the Sue Gray report to tell us who did what, where and when. But I'm not optimistic.

 

[Happy Exile]

Just seen a clip of JRM on Twitter claiming Tories won’t get rid of Johnson as they don’t want a worse PM

Seems Sunak offered to resign, I think he will go.

I was wondering if the leak of all the Sunak Green Card stuff last week was to make it more difficult for him to resign on principle this week and put pressure on the PM. Without everything that came out last week Sunak could have resigned immediately he got the fine and claimed the moral high ground over Johnson. If he resigns now though it'll be seen as a result of a cumulative attrition and that impact is lost. It might be that my tinfoil hat is too well developed these days, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Johnson has played this all out very deliberately.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Of course they are trying to muddy the waters. All the Met has to do is publish a list of those who have been issued fines and for which of the parties the fines have been issued. But they won't will they?

There will have been senior policy-making civil servants at some/all of those parties. Let's cover up who they were. There will have been MPs at some of those parties. Maybe yours or mine. Let's cover up who they were. There will have been other government ministers at those parties. Let's cover them up. There may have been the next leader of the Tory Party at some of those parties. Let's cover them up.

The whole thing stinks. The whole thing is shameful. We can only now place our faith in the Sue Gray report to tell us who did what, where and when. But I'm not optimistic.

It's also worth remembering that the Government's SPADS (their political appointees) are now also classed as 'Civil Servants'. I believe these number just over 100 in Downing Street in addition to their cabinet minister 'masters'. How many fines issued so far

 

[WATFORD zero]

I was wondering if the leak of all the Sunak Green Card stuff last week was to make it more difficult for him to resign on principle this week and put pressure on the PM. Without everything that came out last week Sunak could have resigned immediately he got the fine and claimed the moral high ground over Johnson. If he resigns now though it'll be seen as a result of a cumulative attrition and that impact is lost. It might be that my tinfoil hat is too well developed these days, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Johnson has played this all out very deliberately.

It did seem a strange time to 'leak' information that was already in the Public Domain. I can't imagine who could have had anything to gain from that timing

 

[rippleman]

That's not the issue. The issue is lying to Parliament.
To compare it to your double yellow line analogy, see what happens if you swear under oath in a court that you didn't park on a double yellow line. The parking ticket becomes the least of your problems (see Johnathan Aitken).

The useless bungle**** lied to Her Majesty. If he could lie to her, then he was never going to give a shit about lying to Parliament or us poor peasants.

All we can do is turn out in great numbers at the May elections and remove the stain of blue from the political landscape.

Labour, LibDems or Greens. Whoever has the best chance of getting rid of the Tory scumbags, give them your vote. And I hope those three parties have the good sense to put up one candidate in each ward to ensure there is no split in the vote.

 

[Baldseagull]

don't know if this has been posted


https://westcountryvoices.co.uk/the...unak-world-beating-tailbacks-madnad-and-more/

Some glorious descriptions in there, thank you for sharing that.

 

[Lever]

I'd suggest being a little wary if what you want is only being sold by the Devil

'When you deal with devil, the devil doesn't change. The devil changes you.'

 

[Lever]

Hi Simster,
It rather depends on what you mean by worse.
I certainly can’t see Jezza attending party after party in the No 10 gardens, he just isn’t that sort of person, but I wouldn’t rule out some of his acolytes getting it down their necks on the odd occasions.
Seriously though, you ask a good question and quite frankly, it is a sad reflection on politics today that we had a choice between Johnson and Corbyn to be the next PM. Neither candidate was suitable for high office and neither do I believe were McDonnell and Abbott( granted, nor is Priti Patel). I believe that the hard left socialist views of Corbyn and McDonnell backed by the loons of Momentum had the ability to do substantial damage to not only the country, but also the moderate members of the Labour Party and its MPs.You and I will probably disagree!
As a Conservative voter, I had no fear of a Government led by Tony Blair, but I have to say, the thought of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott, gave me the shits and it obviously had the same effect on a lot of other voters.
Johnson is a shameful shyster, totally unsuited to be PM and I would be delighted to see him resign, but unless he is forced, I don’t think he will go. As far as the Labour Party is concerned, I am pleased that Starmer appears to have got rid of most of the hard left Corbynistas and I am pleased to see the likes of Yvette Cooper back in the game. In fact, I think she could make a good leader.
To sum up, I don’t think the Partygate shenanigans that have happened under Johnson would have necessarily happened under Corbyn’s reign, but I think the damage that may have been wrought to the country by a far left Government could have been worse than any incompetence displayed by the Tory administration.You and I will probably disagree on this!
We have, of course, had a most extraordinary time since the election with Brexit, which I strongly disagreed with, then Covid and finally the dreadful war in Ukraine. I have to say that I reckon a Corbyn Government would have done much the same with Covid as the present administration have.They would have had the same advice, forecasts, and opinions from the same advisers that this Government has. Mistakes would have been made and some successses would have been had. I do wonder, though, what Corbyn and McDonnell’s stance would have been over Putin’s appalling war in Ukraine. I am sure that thought Has gone through many minds.
Hope all is well with you and your family in Reigate; my wife and I still visit frequently as we are trying to sell mother in laws flat as she has gone into a nursing home. I see Crispin Blunt made an absolute fool of himself the other day. I have to say, when I met him a few years back, I thought he was a very odd man.

Although I fundamentally disagree with almost all tory policies and so pretty much all tory voters, I think this is a fair summary and I agree with nearly all of it. Thank you.

Now we need to to get rid of the cabal that calls itself our government, before it damages our country beyond repair.........

 

[rippleman]

If fixtures, my apologies.

"Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility. I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else."

A quotation from 1982, by a teacher at Eton.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Let’s be specific.

He looks like a disheveled Boris the Liar tribute act. Resplendent in some sort of weird comedy blond wig, he really does come across as a complete ****.

Every time I see Fabricant my initial thought is that it's Harry Enfield spoofing Boris Johnson. As bad wigs go Elton doesn't even come close.

 

[lawros left foot]

Margaret Thatcher: "The first duty of Government is to uphold the law. If it tries to bob and weave and duck around that duty when its inconvenient, if government does that, then so will the governed, and then nothing is safe—not home, not liberty, not life itself."


Personally, I don’t think Thatcher got much right, but, she was bang on with this.

Who else is looking forward to a summer of rioting?

(Before I get accused of being a terrorist, or some such nonsense, I’m being ironic,although in this country we do appear to only riot under the Torys.)

 

[kevo]

Interesting how the Boris troll farm seems particularly aimed at football fans.

 

[JBizzle]

Johnson is a lucky man. There's always a new crisis around the corner that's "more important", so as always he gets off with a laughable apology and a waffled quip about "levelling up" or whatever party slogan he's parroting at that time. The fact that there's a war in Ukraine now basically means he can do what he wants despite the fact that he's woefully unfit for office.

Heaven forbid we get rid of this goon and replace him with someone, oh I don't know, competent? Try to find competence amongst Truss, Dorries, Gove, Rees-Mogg, Patel, Schapps and Raaaaaaaaaaaaab may take you quite some while.