[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

And this is where I will never get how someone can "have" a political party.

If someone now said "I'm tory", you'd just have to say "but......HOW?"

It's not like having a football team where you support them no matter the chaos. The whole point of politics is you pick the best team. It's actively asking you to be a glory hunter.

 

[Audax]

I can't really help you in the former either, but it's frustrating because it should have been able to work. Of course the Tories are going way too far now trying to force it through by smashing international law, but the overall concept made sense.

Rwanda is/was never going to work unless the Tories included restoring legal routes to claim asylum in the UK *and* having a working agreement with France to intercept and return boats to France. You can't try to copy the Australian system if you don't also learn from the mistakes Australia made while trying to get their system working.

I fear what's going to happen is that the people smugglers will begin looking for alternative, more dangerous, crossing routes where they can claim that they'll get people in without being detected. As long as they can dangle a carrot of "the only way to get to the UK is with us" it will continue.

If the Tories genuinely want to stop the boats, there needs to be legal routes for applying from outside the UK.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

In their quest to turn the whole nation into gammon.

If only it was the ‘gammon’. Mainstream tv uses the phrase regularly so it is now in the national pschye, like a catchphrase.
How do Labour or anyone else convince the nation that it is legal to claim asylum?

 

[Eric the meek]

Yes but what are labour going to do about it?

(If I ever here someone actually say that I may have to be 'held back')

The best thing that Labour can do about it, is get the popcorn out. There's no need to do anything else.

Act like Louis Theroux, and let your victims incriminate themselves.

 

[Eric the meek]

A couple of articles, the first from the BBC, that may help with the legal arguments:

Can the new Rwanda bill work and what could stop it?

The legislation could set up a politically explosive fight with the courts.

www.bbc.co.uk

'An astounding level of hypocrisy'

'The Rwanda Bill and its constitutional implications'

The Rwanda Bill and its constitutional implications

The Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill has been published with much fanfare, following the conclusion a treaty between the UK and Rwanda that provides for some asylum-seekers to be remo…

publiclawforeveryone.com

This is a tough read, so go down to the very last sentence.

'....the Rwanda Bill, and the policy to which it seeks to give effect, is ultimately a smoke-and-mirrors exercise that promises something which, as a matter of legal fact, it simply cannot deliver.'

 

[Thunder Bolt]

A couple of articles, the first from the BBC, that may help with the legal arguments:

Can the new Rwanda bill work and what could stop it?

The legislation could set up a politically explosive fight with the courts.

www.bbc.co.uk

'An astounding level of hypocrisy'

'The Rwanda Bill and its constitutional implications'

The Rwanda Bill and its constitutional implications

The Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill has been published with much fanfare, following the conclusion a treaty between the UK and Rwanda that provides for some asylum-seekers to be remo…

publiclawforeveryone.com

This is a tough read, so go down to the very last sentence.

'....the Rwanda Bill, and the policy to which it seeks to give effect, is ultimately a smoke-and-mirrors exercise that promises something which, as a matter of legal fact, it simply cannot deliver.'

Besides all the money going to Rwanda (and people want to stop Foreign Aid?), millions have been wasted on legal fees.
All taxpayers money.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If only it was the ‘gammon’. Mainstream tv uses the phrase regularly so it is now in the national pschye, like a catchphrase.
How do Labour or anyone else convince the nation that it is legal to claim asylum?

I made the mistake of discussing politics with the person who does some cleaning for me, last week. I commented on the draconian regulations that are making my nice Chinese and Indian 'overseas' students (who pay annual fees of £15,000 plus) apply for visas every year. Because the marks come out late, they can't have their application assessed till it is clear they have progressed. So they are having to leave the country, reapply for a visa, and then find it isn't granted till after the start of the next term. They then return late, sometimes with nowhere to live, and some are getting stressed and depressed, needing counselling and extensions for the ongoing deadlines. And making huge amounts of extra work for staff like me who have to create new assessments and spend time managing individual cases. I can see them voting with their feet when this all becomes common knowledge back home.

So, all my cleaner had to say was "well they all bring their families don't they".

None to my knowledge. And given they are all minted and paying massive fees, so what if they did?

My cleaner appears to have a picture of anyone coming here as some sort of Muslim terrorist with a massive entourage of hungry criminal spongers in tow.

And people wonder why we have a shortage of doctors and nurses. I waited 3 months for surgery a couple of years ago. I need the same op again and am waiting a year now, and have just been told I have to do my pre-assessment again because my original is now out of date.

Still, when they start sending the spongers to Rwanda it will all improve, won't it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

A couple of articles, the first from the BBC, that may help with the legal arguments:

Can the new Rwanda bill work and what could stop it?

The legislation could set up a politically explosive fight with the courts.

www.bbc.co.uk

'An astounding level of hypocrisy'

'The Rwanda Bill and its constitutional implications'

The Rwanda Bill and its constitutional implications

The Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill has been published with much fanfare, following the conclusion a treaty between the UK and Rwanda that provides for some asylum-seekers to be remo…

publiclawforeveryone.com

This is a tough read, so go down to the very last sentence.

'....the Rwanda Bill, and the policy to which it seeks to give effect, is ultimately a smoke-and-mirrors exercise that promises something which, as a matter of legal fact, it simply cannot deliver.'

The tories know this, which is why Sue Ellen and her gang want us to rip up all our commitments to international law, and join Russia and North Korea as pariah nations, governing by decree.

You get the feeling that if one of their own got done for drink driving they would seek to change the law so that it is not legal to prosecute a drunk tory. It really is 'this level' cockwomblery, now.

Burn them. BURN them.

Burn them.

 

[Eric the meek]

Besides all the money going to Rwanda (and people want to stop Foreign Aid?), millions have been wasted on legal fees.
All taxpayers money.

Absolutely.

If I could be so inclined, I would keep a real time list of costs, including the time wasted by MPs, researchers, analysts, Parliamentary time, departmental time etc.

And then I would ask The Taxpayers' Alliance, why there isn't anything on their blog about this obscene waste of public money.

Blog

Our blog covers a wide range of topics including tax reform and local government waste

www.taxpayersalliance.com

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I made the mistake of discussing politics with the person who does some cleaning for me, last week. I commented on the draconian regulations that are making my nice Chinese and Indian 'overseas' students (who pay annual fees of £15,000 plus) apply for visas every year. Because the marks come out late, they can't have their application assessed till it is clear they have progressed. So they are having to leave the country, reapply for a visa, and then find it isn't granted till after the start of the next term. They then return late, sometimes with nowhere to live, and some are getting stressed and depressed, needing counselling and extensions for the ongoing deadlines. And making huge amounts of extra work for staff like me who have to create new assessments and spend time managing individual cases. I can see them voting with their feet when this all becomes common knowledge back home.

So, all my cleaner had to say was "well they all bring their families don't they".

None to my knowledge. And given they are all minted and paying massive fees, so what if they did?

My cleaner appears to have a picture of anyone coming here as some sort of Muslim terrorist with a massive entourage of hungry criminal spongers in tow.

And people wonder why we have a shortage of doctors and nurses. I waited 3 months for surgery a couple of years ago. I need the same op again and am waiting a year now, and have just been told I have to do my pre-assessment again because my original is now out of date.

Still, when they start sending the spongers to Rwanda it will all improve, won't it.

I know only too well, unfortunately. We had a Chinese student living with us for three years, and my son’s ex did the marketing for Manchester, and then Nottingham Uni.
It was the Tories who included students in the immigration figures to artificially inflate the figures.
Lies upon lies upon lies.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Absolutely.

If I could be so inclined, I would keep a real time list of costs, including the time wasted by MPs, researchers, analysts, Parliamentary time, departmental time etc.

And then I would ask The Taxpayers' Alliance, why there isn't anything on their blog about this obscene waste of public money.

Blog

Our blog covers a wide range of topics including tax reform and local government waste

www.taxpayersalliance.com

The Tax Payers Alliance, based at Tufton Street. Say no more.

 

[Bodian]

It's going to be a toxic build up to the general election....

... I wonder if she can sue for the use of her picture without permission? (Assuming she didn't give permission)

I suspect she's embarrassed enough by the picture in the first place - she won't want to draw yet further attention to it...

 

[Peteinblack]

The Tax Payers Alliance, based at Tufton Street. Say no more.

Yes, the Taxpayers' Alliance has been strangely quiet about the £ billions spaffed on faulty gear and dodgy contracts during Covid.

It's a typically dodgy self-appointed Right-wing pressure group which gets lots of attention in the Tory press, and is treated as authoritative, when it clearly has its own ideological agenda.

 

[Peteinblack]

The tories know this, which is why Sue Ellen and her gang want us to rip up all our commitments to international law, and join Russia and North Korea as pariah nations, governing by decree.

You get the feeling that if one of their own got done for drink driving they would seek to change the law so that it is not legal to prosecute a drunk tory. It really is 'this level' cockwomblery, now.

Burn them. BURN them.

Burn them.

And anyone who did demand prosecution would be denounced as 'politically-motivated' or pursuing a Woke agenda.

There were letters in The Sunday Times recently complaining that the current Covid inquiry was a witch-hunt against Boris Johnson by his political enemies and that we should 'move on' from allegations of law-breaking from 3 year ago.

So by that perverted logic, any allegations of criminality or illegality - drunk-driving, murder, sexual assault, stabbing, GBH, welfare fraud, etc - should not be investigated and prosecuted if they occurred more than 3 years ago.

This from supporters of the so-called Party of law-and-order.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

Rishi : "A big boy made me do it and ran away"

 

[nicko31]

Yes, the Taxpayers' Alliance has been strangely quiet about the £ billions spaffed on faulty gear and dodgy contracts during Covid.

It's a typically dodgy self-appointed Right-wing pressure group which gets lots of attention in the Tory press, and is treated as authoritative, when it clearly has its own ideological agenda.

Basically lobbying syndicate masquerading as a think tank with opaque funding. What's their address again?

 

[Lever]

It's begun.

According to the Shropshire Star 'Ms Kearns, who chairs the Foreign Affairs Committee, posted: “Amazed this has not – despite requests – been taken down, it is beneath us.”'

The trouble is that is not 'beneath them' and we can expect a lot more of this desperate garbage..

 

[Peteinblack]

Basically lobbying syndicate masquerading as a think tank with opaque funding. What's their address again?

Tssk. Asking rhetorical questions

 

[nicko31]

According to the Shropshire Star 'Ms Kearns, who chairs the Foreign Affairs Committee, posted: “Amazed this has not – despite requests – been taken down, it is beneath us.”'

The trouble is that is not 'beneath them' and we can expect a lot more of this desperate garbage..

I prefer it when it comes from a real politician, not a journalist the Tories are making up stories about

 

[WATFORD zero]

So the money now spent on the Rwanda 'Plan' is sufficient to have processed the whole backlog of asylum seekers twice over with money to spare

Rwanda ‘laughing all the way to the bank’ as £290m cost of scheme could have paid for 400,000 asylum claims​

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rwanda-scheme-290m-cost-400000-asylum-claims/

Anyone still trying to claim the asylum seekers 'issue' isn't the result of deliberate Government strategy