[Politics] Tom Watson has done it now

[rippleman]

Everything you mention is irrelevant if we are all dead.
The nuclear deterrent has worked the last 60 years so I don't want to lose it. Name a country with nuclear weapons that has been invaded? I want to see the world living in peace just like Corbyn but have the knowledge not to spend billions on weapons and then tell your enemies "don't worry we won't use them".

Then not spending billions on weapons is the answer isn't it? Plenty of other things we could spend the billions on that would actually benefit us all. Isn't Corbyn's honesty to be admired? Do you really think ol' mother May is going to hit the button?

 

[Ernest]

[MENTION=1416]Ernest[/MENTION] will hold a Street Party in George Street Hove the day Kyle gets deselected!!

I will BUY everyone a PINT in the Cliftonville to celebrate

 

[alfredmizen]

Who would have ever thought that the Labour Party would be home for racist anti-semites? That used to be the sole preserve of the hard right.

Corbyn should have the balls to hunt these evil parasites down, and kick them out. Failure to do so will leave the Labour Party with zero chance of an overall majority at a general election.

I suspect the reason he doesn't is that many of these Labour Nazis, are long term buddies, from their work together against Israel and pro-Hamas.

Corbyn would love to be in 10 Downing Street, but he continues to shoot himself in the foot. Stubborness.

Corbyn should "have the balls to hunt these evil parasites down" ?? Hes ONE OF THEM ffs

 

[rippleman]

Do you really believe JC is anti-Semitic or do you think maybe he’d like to see the Palestinians given a break. Anti- Zionist is different isn’t it. He is scared now off saying anything.

I have never thought of Corbyn as anti-Semitic. But he is certainly anti-Zionist. Being anti-Semitic is racist. (Anti-Semitism is "hostility and prejudice directed against Jewish people" ). I have no more love / hate for Jews than I do Muslims, Buddhists, Christians,, Hindus, Sikhs or any other religious groupings. I just don't care; each to their own.

But I am totally against the way the State of Israel treats the Palestinians, the way it grabs land from outside of its national borders for "settlers" etc.

I don't think that being pro-Jewish and ant-Zionist are mutually exclusive.

 

[alfredmizen]

I have never thought of Corbyn as anti-Semitic. But he is certainly anti-Zionist. Being anti-Semitic is racist. (Anti-Semitism is "hostility and prejudice directed against Jewish people" ). I have no more love / hate for Jews than I do Muslims, Buddhists, Christians,, Hindus, Sikhs or any other religious groupings. I just don't care; each to their own.

But I am totally against the way the State of Israel treats the Palestinians, the way it grabs land from outside of its national borders for "settlers" etc.

I don't think that being pro-Jewish and ant-Zionist are mutually exclusive.

agree about the palestinians , absolutely outrageous the way theyve been treated.

 

[GT49er]

I don't think that being pro-Jewish and ant-Zionist are mutually exclusive.

They're not - but try getting that simple fact across to the loons (on both sides of the argument)!

 

[Two Professors]

So close to getting ‘generic right wing Jeremy Corbyn smear bingo’ but I’m afraid you missed out communist and terrorist sympathiser l. So close but no cigar. Nice touch bringing ‘Moslems’ into the issue though. Now the gammons can really get going!

Generic leftie load of bolox.Are you denying Corbyn courts the Moslem vote as opposed to traditional Labour,a safe home for the Jewish minority vote.So last year calling people after pork products,very racist and insulting.Perhaps you ought to extract your head from it's current location,the fresh air might do you good.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I have never thought of Corbyn as anti-Semitic. But he is certainly anti-Zionist. Being anti-Semitic is racist. (Anti-Semitism is "hostility and prejudice directed against Jewish people" ). I have no more love / hate for Jews than I do Muslims, Buddhists, Christians,, Hindus, Sikhs or any other religious groupings. I just don't care; each to their own.

But I am totally against the way the State of Israel treats the Palestinians, the way it grabs land from outside of its national borders for "settlers" etc.

I don't think that being pro-Jewish and ant-Zionist are mutually exclusive.

I am sure there would be Jewish people who are anti Zionist.

 

[Chicken Run]

I will BUY everyone a PINT in the Cliftonville to celebrate

Will you stretch to a sausage? I’ve heard a whisper btw that Edward Izzard would like the gig should Kyle get de selected, he’d be popular vote no?

 

[DumLum]

I wouldn’t refer to you as a gammon. I would argue that your fear of a clock predicting the hypothetical destruction of the planet is exaggerated and that you should focus on matters closer to home and that are actually effecting the lives of millions of people in this country on a daily basis. Your assumption that because I was born in the 80s I’m more interested in my phone’s battery life than a dystopian nuclear holocaust is very presumptuous. I care about nuclear disarmament but I fear that global changes in climate is a far bigger threat than nuclear winter. I wasn’t raised to fear Russia or China or other communist states nor did I live through the Cuban Missile crisis so perhaps I am naive. And, maybe, perhaps because you did live through the Cold War you are more concerned about the ‘clock’ counting down to an event that will more than likely never happen (nuclear holocaust), than the millions of people relying on food banks on a daily basis.

Sorry for assuming.
Unfortunately I can't focus on matters closer to home because defence is my number one concern. As I said everything else is irrelevant if we are destroyed. I'm a very frustrated voter.
I think the best example (forgive me for this.. .also warning Game of Thrones spoiler alert) of what would happen to the uk under Corbyn was what happened to Brother Ray/Ian Mcshane when he and his followers were slaughtered. I know it's not politically interlectual but I just thought it at the time of watching it.
I would like to see a Labour government with a new leader maybe with Corbyn as a number 2 (but that's never going to happen) win the next election by a landslide.
If Corbyn does become Prime Minister (which is unlikely) I hope you are correct and I am wrong because HOPE would become one of our main defences.

Please don't forget Nuclear Weapons have been used but only against a country without them.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Sorry for assuming.
Unfortunately I can't focus on matters closer to home because defence is my number one concern. As I said everything else is irrelevant if we are destroyed. I'm a very frustrated voter.
I think the best example (forgive me for this.. .also warning Game of Thrones spoiler alert) of what would happen to the uk under Corbyn was what happened to Brother Ray/Ian Mcshane when he and his followers were slaughtered. I know it's not politically interlectual but I just thought it at the time of watching it.
I would like to see a Labour government with a new leader maybe with Corbyn as a number 2 (but that's never going to happen) win the next election by a landslide.
If Corbyn does become Prime Minister (which is unlikely) I hope you are correct and I am wrong because HOPE would become one of our main defences.

Please don't forget Nuclear Weapons have been used but only against a country without them.

How are starving children irrelevant? How is a Health Service so catastrophically underfunded people are actually be duped into thinking privatising it would be a good idea, irrelevant? As I keep saying, you seem far more concerned about some survivalist dystopia than reality. What’s more, if nuclear winter is coming (no pun intended) it wouldn’t matter either way about fixing the here and now as we’d all be dead anyway. So we might as stop spending billions of pounds on a pointless deterrent and start spending it on improving lives now if, as you believe, it’s going to happen regardless. Canada hasn’t been nuked or invaded in the aftermath of the Manhattan project, the formation of the UN and EU. Neither has Australia, Spain, New Zealand and a whole long list of other countries without nuclear capability. What makes you think we’d suddenly be invaded or attacked if we stopped trident?

And the only reason the bomb was dropped was to stop WW2 from dragging on further. But we both know warfare has changed significantly since the 1940s so the comparison is mute.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Generic leftie load of bolox.Are you denying Corbyn courts then Moslem vote as opposed to traditional Labour,a safe home for the Jewish minority vote.So last year calling people after pork products,very racist and insulting.Perhaps you ought to extract your head from it's current location,the fresh air might do you good.

What a time to be alive. Facts and truth are deemed ‘generic leftie bolox’, JC is a racist and head gammon Yaxley-Lennon is a freedom fighter.

If you want to convince me of said nonsense you have to provide evidence.

 

[Blue3]

The Establishment paints such a poor picture of Labour and its current leader one thing that's often said is its trying to take Britain back to the 1970s a time when we you and me and not private companies owned and ran much of Britain a time when the inequality between rich and poor was at its lowest since the 1970s the wealth gap has increased 7 times, new technologies are appearing all the time and they are making people's lives richer but they are increasing the profitability of companies again and again the Establishment which is funded by the 1% want the status quo to prevail and the British public are told lies by the same Establishment, what was it the the Nazi said tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth, beware forewarned politics is failing capitalism is failing the rise of extreams is coming. Only today Boris said although he was not against the vail why would anyone want to look like a letter box that's a top Tory saying it's ok to be racist and as somone who is of Jewish decent I find that far more offensive than Labours omission of one example of antisemitism as it thinks another discription fits the definition better well Tom Watson is correct it needs amendment but it's all smoke and mirrors the far right is the real enemy supported by the Establishment

 

[DumLum]

How are starving children irrelevant?

If we are all dead they are.

How is a Health Service so catastrophically underfunded people are actually be duped into thinking privatising it would be a good idea, irrelevant?

It doesn't matter if we are all dead.

As I keep saying, you seem far more concerned about some survivalist dystopia than reality.
Surviving is goal number 1 surely

What’s more, if nuclear winter is coming (no pun intended) it wouldn’t matter either way about fixing the here and now as we’d all be dead anyway. So we might as stop spending billions of pounds on a pointless deterrent and start spending it on improving lives now if, as you believe, it’s going to happen regardless.

Nobody has nuked us because we can nuke them back.The threat is enough.


Canada hasn’t been nuked or invaded in the aftermath of the Manhattan project, the formation of the UN and EU. Neither has Australia, Spain, New Zealand and a whole long list of other countries without nuclear capability.

We along with France and America are strong enough allies to resist the temptation. Why change that?

What makes you think we’d suddenly be invaded or attacked if we stopped trident?

A thousand years of history.

And the only reason the bomb was dropped was to stop WW2 from dragging on further. But we both know warfare has changed significantly since the 1940s so the comparison is mute.

The main reason for this is the invention of nuclear weapons.

My views are in your post above.
I think we should agree to disagree. Proof Labour is split.

 

[Chicken Run]

The Establishment paints such a poor picture of Labour and its current leader one thing that's often said is its trying to take Britain back to the 1970s a time when we you and me and not private companies owned and ran much of Britain a time when the inequality between rich and poor was at its lowest since the 1970s the wealth gap has increased 7 times, new technologies are appearing all the time and they are making people's lives richer but they are increasing the profitability of companies again and again the Establishment which is funded by the 1% want the status quo to prevail and the British public are told lies by the same Establishment, what was it the the Nazi said tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth, beware forewarned politics is failing capitalism is failing the rise of extreams is coming. Only today Boris said although he was not against the vail why would anyone want to look like a letter box that's a top Tory saying it's ok to be racist and as somone who is of Jewish decent I find that far more offensive than Labours omission of one example of antisemitism as it thinks another discription fits the definition better well Tom Watson is correct it needs amendment but it's all smoke and mirrors the far right is the real enemy supported by the Establishment

The far left and right are the true enemy!

 

[Ernest]

The far left and right are the true enemy!

Peter Kyle is the REAL enemy

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

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[Weststander]

The far left and right are the true enemy!

Some incredibly blinkered far left posters in this thread, disregarding illegal anti-semitism on here as if it doesn't matter or it must be a lie.

These racists are as bad as hard right thigs and loonies.

The Labour Party was partly built on the huge efforts of Jews seeking social justice. Later socialists fought to protect Jews from Black Shirts in The Battle of Cable Street. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street

These scummy interlopers are destroying the reputation of the party and are as vile as hard right thugs who hate "Paki's" and N**gers.

 

[ken tiler]

Can you give me an example of the "illegal anti-semitism " to which you refer. I will then report it to the police and if they are members of the labour party to the labour party disciplinary procedures.

Also do you count Corbyn as an interloper who is destroying the reputation of the party?

 

[Two Professors]

What a time to be alive. Facts and truth are deemed ‘generic leftie bolox’, JC is a racist and head gammon Yaxley-Lennon is a freedom fighter.

If you want to convince me of said nonsense you have to provide evidence.

You claim to live in Birmingham and deny Corbyn's version of Labour are not courting the Moslem vote?Your post does nothing to contradict that at all,and you have just come out with a load of meaningless drivel learned from Socialist Worker)) sandwich boards.If you want proof,there are plenty of Jewish newspapers for you to read it in.As for the countries you listed in your other post,they are all in alliances with nuclear powers.