The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[carlzeiss]

Are you on drugs? Can I have some?

Chianti Italia Red £3.99

 

[ROSM]

Oh dear....

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On the face of it it doesn't look great but need ro understand if this was url squatting. The fact corbyn was under pressure isn't a shock so would expect it would be easy to bulk register domains that would be useful

 

[The Rivet]

Keep it up Corbyn, you are providing great entertainment.

 

[Hampster Gull]

We need a really strong opposition. This is a joke

 

[severnside gull]

We need a really strong opposition. This is a joke

Labour as a credible electable opposition is dead.
All that remains is to see how deep they can bury themselves.

I speak as a member of the party for somewhere close to 50 years.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Labour as a credible electable opposition is dead.
All that remains is to see how deep they can bury themselves.

I speak as a member of the party for somewhere close to 50 years.

Its really frustrating. Whilst not a labourite they are needed now yet are ripping themselves apart. The tories are a disgrace. Sturgeon looking like the only competent politician in the country, and i am not for a split

 

[beorhthelm]

On the face of it it doesn't look great but need ro understand if this was url squatting. The fact corbyn was under pressure isn't a shock so would expect it would be easy to bulk register domains that would be useful

my thought was similar, no evidence that Eagles herself set this up or requested someone to do so. however, fact is someone did, and that alone is evidence of a conspiracy afoot. we can discount cybersquatting because it was before the Benn sacking and the registration was made by a PR firm with Labour links (info courtesy of Reddit).

and on Eagles, crying, was she? because she (or prehaps sister) always sound so emotional when on radio, like they are talking about a deep trauma.

 

[Buzzer]

Labour as a credible electable opposition is dead.
All that remains is to see how deep they can bury themselves.

I speak as a member of the party for somewhere close to 50 years.

I disagree. It's still not too late and whatever comes out of this will be painful but if it purges Labour of the lunatic fringe for at least a few decades then it will have been worth it. I can't believe all those MPs and all those passionate party activists like ROSM on here will walk away from the fight. Corbyn's support is big but incredibly shallow IMO. This is no worse a crisis than they faced in the early 80s. For all his faults in Europe since, Kinnock can be praised for making them electable then and I think there's more than enough talent and fight from the centre left to do that again.

I can only reiterate what others have said, you know I'm no Labour fan but we really do need a strong opposition and the most frustrating thing is that if Corbyn and his fanboys were to go then there are plenty of options from the current crop of MPs who could take up the challenge very quickly.

 

[Ernest]

We need a really strong opposition. This is a joke

We need a really STRONG government too

 

[Hampster Gull]

We need a really STRONG government too

Completely agree. Its a disgrace what has happened

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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[The Rivet]

Its really frustrating. Whilst not a labourite they are needed now yet are ripping themselves apart. The tories are a disgrace. Sturgeon looking like the only competent politician in the country, and i am not for a split

Sturgeon, competent? Do you have an hearing aid and glasses? You know about Catalonia? The reason why Spain and France told her to swivel on her own middle finger? Add to that the opposition from Eastern block countries and she doesn't have a hope in hell. Now like a desperate tart she is touting for business in Ireland. Shameless!

 

[Mackenzie]

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There's no one there, there's no one there, there's no one there, there's no one there.....

 

[Mackenzie]

Its really frustrating. Whilst not a labourite they are needed now yet are ripping themselves apart. The tories are a disgrace. Sturgeon looking like the only competent politician in the country, and i am not for a split

Sturgeon is a Scottish wind bag.

 

[Gwylan]

I've just had a tenner on Andy Burnham to be next leader. I know he wants to be mayor of Manchester but the leader's job will be a temptation.

My guess is that Corbyn may well go but will be reluctant to let one of the plotters take over. Burnham has stayed loyal and is probably the most left of the centre ground.

He and Corbyn could probably work out a deal where he supports some of Corbyn's positions, particularly in giving members more power. It will also be a lot easier to be anti-austerity if May becomes Tory leader, as she's taking off Osborne's strait-jacket.

Burnham is also riding high after his work on the Hillsborough campaign so he'd have wider backing

Of course, Corbyn could stick on to the end and tear the party apart but if he does want a compromise, I can't see many better candidates

 

[cunning fergus]

well no you cant. i was picking up on the point on what to expect from a leader, should they really be the everything of a party? if as a party its difficult to represent north, south, rural, urban, it is shirley impossible to expect a leader to do so, in one person? they have to defer to their MPs to some degree, seek their input and compromise personal views to adjust to a common purpose. as ive said earlier, each MP has stood on a manifesto individually, albeit one written centrally. thats their responsibility to accountable to, not a leader who has changed since they were elected.

anyway, i sort of get it with Labour and Corbyn, its a fight over what Labour is or does. if he resigns, the socialist left has lost. however if he stays on, they win but at the price of probably being unelectable for the foreseeable future. its sort of honorable that he and core of members want to make that sacrifice for the sake of principles, seems a rather hollow victory.

I understand that too, but this is politics. The state of modern politics is about power first and ideology second, this has lead to a more toxic relationship between the electorate and politicians than ever before.

It's a shame this dislocation is not subject to more media analysis because it's part of the reason why 52% of the electorate ignored what 90% of their elected representatives advised them to do.

Labour are guilty of this more than most and their membership elected Corbyn because he had a more pure political ideology compared to his Blairite peers in the PLP.

He comprised this ideology in the referendum campaign as he would have been told by the PLP, and now the PLP say that was not enough he needed to have campaigned more vigorously for a result the electorate knows he didn't want in the first place.

Had he campaigned for leave with a more sensible approach to labour market control to rote the the poor and restricting the capitalist excess of the EU he would have been on the winning side of the referendum.

The PLP are not even in tune with their own constituencies, I noted last week that Jo Cox's constituency was overwhelmingly leave.

 

[pb21]

I understand that too, but this is politics. The state of modern politics is about power first and ideology second, this has lead to a more toxic relationship between the electorate and politicians than ever before.

It's a shame this dislocation is not subject to more media analysis because it's part of the reason why 52% of the electorate ignored what 90% of their elected representatives advised them to do.

Labour are guilty of this more than most and their membership elected Corbyn because he had a more pure political ideology compared to his Blairite peers in the PLP.

He comprised this ideology in the referendum campaign as he would have been told by the PLP, and now the PLP say that was not enough he needed to have campaigned more vigorously for a result the electorate knows he didn't want in the first place.

Had he campaigned for leave with a more sensible approach to labour market control to rote the the poor and restricting the capitalist excess of the EU he would have been on the winning side of the referendum.

The PLP are not even in tune with their own constituencies, I noted last week that Jo Cox's constituency was overwhelmingly leave.

I was wondering what you, consider to be the main cause of the working class struggle; immigration or the establishment?

 

[cunning fergus]

I was wondering what you, consider to be the main cause of the working class struggle; immigration or the establishment?

The political establishment first and foremost and of all colours.

I don't have an ideological issue with controlled migration.

The political establishment over recent years have creates social orthodoxies around political motives like immigration and they are so embedded now to refute them equals rank bigotry.

This approach has polarised millions of people between those who have accepted it (for whatever reason) and those who are same enough to know it's not true. it's just another reason why 52% of the electorate voted leave, and why for many of the 48% the result has been akin to someone proving that their God does not exist.

In short immigration never got us here, our politicians did.

 

[pb21]

The political establishment first and foremost and of all colours.

I don't have an ideological issue with controlled migration.

The political establishment over recent years have creates social orthodoxies around political motives like immigration and they are so embedded now to refute them equals rank bigotry.

This approach has polarised millions of people between those who have accepted it (for whatever reason) and those who are same enough to know it's not true. it's just another reason why 52% of the electorate voted leave, and why for many of the 48% the result has been akin to someone proving that their God does not exist.

In short immigration never got us here, our politicians did.

So in saying the establishment have created social orthodoxies, would you agree that the establishment have sold the immigration myth, playing on peoples inherent fears and a desire to blame, to prevent blame falling on their own doorstep?

Also it was 52% of the electorate which voted, who voted to leave, or 37% of the electorate overall. Possibly a moot point but it sounds better to me!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

So in saying the establishment have created social orthodoxies, would you agree that the establishment have sold the immigration myth, playing on peoples inherent fears and a desire to blame, to prevent blame falling on their own doorstep?

Also it was 52% of the electorate which voted, who voted to leave, or 37% of the electorate overall. Possibly a moot point but it sounds better to me!

I think you have that upside down. Cunning Fergus was talking about the pro immigration social orthodoxy created by the establishment ie to speak out against unlimited immigration makes you a bigot. Well, a large proportion of the population has now objected to this labelling and that includes second and third generation immigrants in Northern cities who have their own concerns about unlimited EU immigration.
Interestingly JC is a part of this orthodoxy in much the same way as are the Blairites. I don't see any senior Labour party figure in touch with the electorate.