beorhthelm
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This is our experience, dictated by us. God gives everything to stop all suffering and pain. Unfortunately nearly everyone doesn't accept it and chooses something which has the absence of love. If everyone accepted there would be no suffering or pain. What is God supposed to do, force us to accept. We wouldn't be happy with that.
See reply to Beorhthelm below
symyjym
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OK, that's fair but not easy to describe as for me as it is not a mental concept but a feeling and experience.
"An intelligent, ultimate source, of everything that is experienced by the whole existence as completely pure unconditional love (and everything that comes from that i.e.compassion, joy, bliss, happiness, peace, calm, gratitude etc etc) that exceeds our level of consciousness by infinity and then some and all is encompassed within it." is the short answerfor the purpose of this conversation.
Did this deity, as you describe, give us diseases, viruses and cancers etc to test to see if we could work out how to cure them ourselves?
BadFish
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I have to say that this answer is a reasonable one to my question (and i thank you for it) (i have included my response below). however i don't think it really addressed Beorhthelm's point.
God hasn't given us everything though has he. He could stop most of the problems by clarifying what and who he is and what and who he wants. Most of the problems caused are caused by confusion of the message he is sending. Actually he could have solved this problem of clarity at any point in creation simpy by making an appearance and clarifying his ideas. And by this i don't mean sending his 'son' or burning a bush or any of the other 'signs' he has sent us i mean revealing himself to us and telling us a few home truths.
Megazone
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Here's a little story:
There was a man stuck on the roof of his house due to a major flood. He prayed to God to save him. Soon later, a boat turned up. The man stranded on the roof sent the boat away telling them God was going to save him. A helicopter soon later turned up and again, the man sent it away in-wait of God. Eventually the man died on the roof.
Once he got to Heaven, he straight away asked God "Why didn't you save me?" God replied "Well I did send you a boat and a bloody helicopter!"
Guerrero
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I would never wish death and pain on anybody or anything.
It is what makes me superior,but somewhat vulnerable.
Superior if the trend is for Good to prevail.
Vulnerable if Evil is to prevail.
It is what makes me superior,but somewhat vulnerable.
Superior if the trend is for Good to prevail.
Vulnerable if Evil is to prevail.
Did they come from love?
BadFish
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So he is unconditional love, omnipotent and all powerful. yet he lacks some basic communication skills.
symyjym
Banned
The rules of the game is that you cannot answer a question with a question. Not that it even makes sense as a reply anyway.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
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no, no. trying again. God by your definition is supposed to give unconditional love. so why do we have to conform to some rules? and back to the question, what possible way is a mother to prevent a birth deformity such as gastroschisis, what is bestowed to stop this suffering? why was it allowed to be inflicted on a new born in the first place? and we havent even ventured outside the human sphere to the rest of the world.
BadFish
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So if he didn't give us them, where do they come from? God is the creator but there is some stuff he didn't create?
beorhthelm
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presumably not. so there is another force, one capable of over powering your God and his will. i would curious to know what this deity is.
The thing is, he could force us to accept his love but does forcing come from a place of love?
Hmm you see, I believe that there is a purpose but if it's God's purpose then my interpretation is probably pretty basic. My version is something like this. We were made in his image which for me is that we once were "like" God, I mean had his attributes like unconditional love etc. and didn't even know what things outside love were, like anger, hate etc. We were amazing, so amazing we wanted to go and do our own thing. However God (obviously) knew what would happen. It wouldn't take us long to create a mess. So we were given a "homing beacon", some part of us that knows where home is and would long to get there. We then had many many experiences but in the course of this we dirtied ourselves, turned away and covered that part of ourselves, that homing beacon that is protected from us damaging it.
Ultimately what we need to do is just accept God's love completely and utterly. The trouble is parts of us don't want to. However one day we will and we will then choose to return and all our suffering and pain will be over.
Now God could force us to accept his love but then what would happen? It wouldn't have been our choice so we would soon want to leave again.
Guerrero
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We are all God and we make and control our own destinies.
Easy enough?
You are making all the decisions yourself.
Easy enough?
You are making all the decisions yourself.
We created it, in a situation of absence of love.
It's not a deity, it's us. Why is it overpowering God?
Ok then. No
BadFish
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Cheers One Love, i think i understand where you are coming from now. Not sure I agree, but it is food for thought.
I think we can both agree that the answers to our problems are to approach them from a position of love.
Firstly what rules?
Secondly, everything that is not from a loving place, we created.