GT49er
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Not a frickin' fanatical travesty of errant Muslim one, that's for sure.
Shootings and explosion in Paris!
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Brian Fantana
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To be honest, I'm quite happy for Christians to get on with their beliefs and for Muslims to get on with theirs too. When you're talking about extremists, it is such a tiny proportion of Muslims - about 0.001%.
pastafarian
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i heard someone explain this once as plenty of terrorists carry I.D.
It is required in the faith that the body be buried asap after death to get your virgins,enter paradise etc etc etc.,embalming of body parts is forbidden under shariah.
if you have died in a shoot out or blown yourself up if you carry some ID you just give the authorities a head start and save time.
seems a bit daft when you see images of dead ISIS fighters in Syria being kicked about,heads used to play football and bodies left to rot and left for the birds.......no funeral for those chaps
GT49er
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GT49er
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Not often we agree but on this we do
Yup, this
So you're running away too?
What?
It was mentioned about hate preachers earlier, well many have come from overseas over the years and been allowed to preach.
The good old Guardian eh, this article FROM 2010
If we care about free speech, let these Muslim speakers in
Inayat Bunglawala
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/jun/15/free-speech-muslim-preachers
The good old Guardian eh, this article FROM 2010
If we care about free speech, let these Muslim speakers in
Inayat Bunglawala
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/jun/15/free-speech-muslim-preachers
pastafarian
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symyjym
Banned
Of course. The first thing to do is put them on the spot to get a reaction out of them.
If I was a moderate Sunni Muslim, I would understand our country's concern.
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
An article I have just read, quite interesting,www.independent.co.uk
We must destroy Isis but not play into their hands – the wrong response would create countless new recruits
The worst response to a tragic and horrific attack like that on Paris last night would be one that strengthens Isis. When President Francois Hollande said we are at war with Isis today, he was right. But it is a war we can only win if we don’t get provoked into the response they want from us. The response they expect.
Parisians are sadly becoming all too used to this kind of violence. It was only in January this year when the attack on Charlie Hebdo left most of its staff dead or maimed. And now this, an attack so ferocious and brutal that Paris may take years to recover. Seven years ago, to this very month, gunmen also ran amok in Mumbai and unleashed terror that was to last four days and claim 164 lives. This is global war, and and it could be very well be a generational war.
Read more
As I watched the horror unfold on TV last night, I was asked: “why are they doing this?” - which seems like a naive question but is actually an excellent place to start from. If Isis were indeed behind this (they have now claimed responsibility) - why would they do this?
Isis are doing this to provoke us. They want us to attack them on their soil: in Iraq and Syria. They want to see western troops back in those lands because the chaos and backlash that would create would play directly into their hands. It would create countless new recruits for them.
Isis are also doing this to create division and exploit tension in our modern multi-racial societies. They want western Muslims to feel unwanted in their homes in Europe, and to instead join them in Syria. They want western Muslims to feel that they can only truly be at home at the Isis Caliphate.
And Isis want to see western countries become closed, authoritarian societies where we live in fear of them and their capabilities. They hate what we stand for and they want to provoke us into changing that.
Isis are doing this to provoke us. They want us to attack them on their soil: in Iraq and Syria
The temptation to react to Isis in the way they want will be strong in the aftermath of Paris. Francois Hollande says our response to Isis must be “merciless” - and I agree - but it must also be strategic so we don’t fall into their trap.
We must stand for our values: liberalism, secularism, openness, free speech and equality: those are the values we swear by and those are the values we must now strain every sinew to live by.
When Chancellor Angela Merkel said Germany would offer shelter to Syrian refugees earlier this year, Isis released a dozen videos in panic, encouraging Syrians to come back. But the damage was done. Syrians saw that Europe was more willing to offer them refuge and dignity than many Muslim states. That they were not heading to the Isis Caliphate was a slap in the face.
The attacks in Beirut and Paris is their response. They want us to brush away humanity and compassion with suspicion and division. By following that script we do exactly what Isis want us to do. The destruction of the Isis Caliphate must happen, but it must come from a Muslim-led force. After all, ordinary Muslims have been its biggest victims.
That isn’t to say we must do nothing. We have to challenge Islamism and its sympathisers in the west, and we have to stand for our values. There’s also no doubt we must win the war against Isis. But we cannot win it if we’re provoked into the response they want. We cannot win with a response that strengthens them rather than weakens
We must destroy Isis but not play into their hands – the wrong response would create countless new recruits
The worst response to a tragic and horrific attack like that on Paris last night would be one that strengthens Isis. When President Francois Hollande said we are at war with Isis today, he was right. But it is a war we can only win if we don’t get provoked into the response they want from us. The response they expect.
Parisians are sadly becoming all too used to this kind of violence. It was only in January this year when the attack on Charlie Hebdo left most of its staff dead or maimed. And now this, an attack so ferocious and brutal that Paris may take years to recover. Seven years ago, to this very month, gunmen also ran amok in Mumbai and unleashed terror that was to last four days and claim 164 lives. This is global war, and and it could be very well be a generational war.
Read more
As I watched the horror unfold on TV last night, I was asked: “why are they doing this?” - which seems like a naive question but is actually an excellent place to start from. If Isis were indeed behind this (they have now claimed responsibility) - why would they do this?
Isis are doing this to provoke us. They want us to attack them on their soil: in Iraq and Syria. They want to see western troops back in those lands because the chaos and backlash that would create would play directly into their hands. It would create countless new recruits for them.
Isis are also doing this to create division and exploit tension in our modern multi-racial societies. They want western Muslims to feel unwanted in their homes in Europe, and to instead join them in Syria. They want western Muslims to feel that they can only truly be at home at the Isis Caliphate.
And Isis want to see western countries become closed, authoritarian societies where we live in fear of them and their capabilities. They hate what we stand for and they want to provoke us into changing that.
Isis are doing this to provoke us. They want us to attack them on their soil: in Iraq and Syria
The temptation to react to Isis in the way they want will be strong in the aftermath of Paris. Francois Hollande says our response to Isis must be “merciless” - and I agree - but it must also be strategic so we don’t fall into their trap.
We must stand for our values: liberalism, secularism, openness, free speech and equality: those are the values we swear by and those are the values we must now strain every sinew to live by.
When Chancellor Angela Merkel said Germany would offer shelter to Syrian refugees earlier this year, Isis released a dozen videos in panic, encouraging Syrians to come back. But the damage was done. Syrians saw that Europe was more willing to offer them refuge and dignity than many Muslim states. That they were not heading to the Isis Caliphate was a slap in the face.
The attacks in Beirut and Paris is their response. They want us to brush away humanity and compassion with suspicion and division. By following that script we do exactly what Isis want us to do. The destruction of the Isis Caliphate must happen, but it must come from a Muslim-led force. After all, ordinary Muslims have been its biggest victims.
That isn’t to say we must do nothing. We have to challenge Islamism and its sympathisers in the west, and we have to stand for our values. There’s also no doubt we must win the war against Isis. But we cannot win it if we’re provoked into the response they want. We cannot win with a response that strengthens them rather than weakens
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Plank - Google and see how stupid you really are
lawros left foot
Glory hunting since 1969
Thank you for that, I suppose it must make as much sense as anything else these nutcases do
GT49er
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Your examples are based upon mere observation of tradition and ceremony, not the cultural semantics of the phrase.
Using the phrase 'God' in an anthem, or having my diary list the days of saints, is meaningless unless there is a more than a passive observation to this ritual. The phrase 'Christian Country' is at best latent if it refers to some sort of iconicalism- of which few really have active participation in, or even know, its proper narrative.
So, if we are a 'Christian Country' the most relevant question is: What is a Christian ?
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Keep going you are really showing yourself as a plank which sadly is very tame as to what you really are
GT49er
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Well, how about for a start, not a Muslim!