Radicalisation in Brighton

[studio150]

I grew up when the IRA were very active. Didn't really give them a second thought to be honest. Today's terrorism is a different matter. It's here to stay.

A very strange view given that the IRA's 'very active' period on mainland Britain would cover a 30 year period from 1970. I can only assume that you didn't live in Brighton at the time of the attack on the Thatcher government, nor did your place on work in London get damaged by IRA bombs (twice) and only the timing of the explosion avoided a very heavy death toll.

I assume also that you didn't travel to Belfast during this period to see armed troops on the street, and having to undergo security checks, and not being allowed to wander without being guided by a local in case you went down the wrong road.

Maybe if you did you would take a different view rather than dismissing the iRA terror campaign over a very long period.

 

[Birdie Boy]

The family live about 20 yards from me unfortunately. The first 6 months were a nightmare. They never slept, always outside talking and shooting at 5am. Police raids constantly. Road blocks incase they do a runner,if only.. house has blackout blinds in all windows and are never opened unless they're hanging out smoking and shouting. How the hell can they enjoy life or living here? With a bit of luck they will all **** off to Syria. The lad there, not sure on name has recently been done for drug dealing. To be fair they have got better on the noise front but the sooner they go the better.

 

[daveinprague]

The family live about 20 yards from me unfortunately. The first 6 months were a nightmare. They never slept, always outside talking and shooting at 5am. Police raids constantly. Road blocks incase they do a runner,if only.. house has blackout blinds in all windows and are never opened unless they're hanging out smoking and shouting. How the hell can they enjoy life or living here? With a bit of luck they will all **** off to Syria. The lad there, not sure on name has recently been done for drug dealing. To be fair they have got better on the noise front but the sooner they go the better.

Shooting at 5am will attract the police
Still, not nice living near these sort of people.

 

[cjd]

Having read the article, it is clear that everything is our fault...as per f*****g usual.

When did we become such a submissive culture ?

 

[London Irish]

I grew up when the IRA were very active. Didn't really give them a second thought to be honest. Today's terrorism is a different matter. It's here to stay.

Well I beg to differ - I think the level of paranoia was far worse back then than it is now.

 

[The Kid Frankie]

I can't believe what I am reading here. These foul little cvnts and their family are not and have never been the victims.

I've lived in Saltdean 28 years. They moved in and caused nothing but dramas since they landed. The police and council did shit all - I suspect through fear of being labeled racist. So people hit back at em. Then they cried racism. Saltdean is quiet place- the EDL and NF allegations are beyond laughable. This lot earned their own rep not because they are Muslims but because they behaved like scum. Admittedly Saltdean is your typical white middle England gaff, but there are a fair few ethnic families here and none of them except the Deghayes have ever had any problems to my knowledge.

Things do seem to have calmed down massively now and I haven't heard of any incidents for a while. I actually had a kick about down The Oval towards the end of last summer and one of the young Deghayes kids (about 14) joined in. He seemed a half decent lad and even commented his cousins had 'done something bad.'

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Having read the article, it is clear that everything is our fault...as per f*****g usual.

When did we become such a submissive culture ?

When journalists decide to write these types of articles.

 

[The Spanish]

I can't believe what I am reading here. These foul little cvnts and their family are not and have never been the victims.

I've lived in Saltdean 28 years. They moved in and caused nothing but dramas since they landed. The police and council did shit all - I suspect through fear of being labeled racist. So people hit back at em. Then they cried racism. Saltdean is quiet place- the EDL and NF allegations are beyond laughable. This lot earned their own rep not because they are Muslims but because they behaved like scum. Admittedly Saltdean is your typical white middle England gaff, but there are a fair few ethnic families here and none of them except the Deghayes have ever had any problems to my knowledge.

Things do seem to have calmed down massively now and I haven't heard of any incidents for a while. I actually had a kick about down The Oval towards the end of last summer and one of the young Deghayes kids (about 14) joined in. He seemed a half decent lad and even commented his cousins had 'done something bad.'

The article's representation of Saltdean (and Longhill, drawing its pupils from 'the most deprived' areas of Brighton, like Rottingdean and Ovingdean), it's not something I recognise.

 

[Captain Sensible]

I can't believe what I am reading here. These foul little cvnts and their family are not and have never been the victims.

I've lived in Saltdean 28 years. They moved in and caused nothing but dramas since they landed. The police and council did shit all - I suspect through fear of being labeled racist. So people hit back at em. Then they cried racism. Saltdean is quiet place- the EDL and NF allegations are beyond laughable. This lot earned their own rep not because they are Muslims but because they behaved like scum. Admittedly Saltdean is your typical white middle England gaff, but there are a fair few ethnic families here and none of them except the Deghayes have ever had any problems to my knowledge.

Things do seem to have calmed down massively now and I haven't heard of any incidents for a while. I actually had a kick about down The Oval towards the end of last summer and one of the young Deghayes kids (about 14) joined in. He seemed a half decent lad and even commented his cousins had 'done something bad.'

I wasn' t even aware they were still here. I thought they moved away to a place down Lewes road? Obviously not. Everything else you said seems to marry up to what I heard prior to moving to Saltdean.

 

[sant andreu]

A bit confused as to why people are saying "they are being presented as the victims", "it's one-sided" etc. The article clearly describes how they formed gangs, intimidated people and robbed people at knife point, etc., making it pretty clear they were no angels, far from it.

I'm sure others know more about it than me, so exactly which parts of the article are not representative of the truth? Are there some important details left out?

 

[Captain Sensible]

A bit confused as to why people are saying "they are being presented as the victims", "it's one-sided" etc. The article clearly describes how they formed gangs, intimidated people and robbed people at knife point, etc., making it pretty clear they were no angels, far from it.

I'm sure others know more about it than me, so exactly which parts of the article are not representative of the truth? Are there some important details left out?

Yes but it describes them as victims first and then later radicalised and criminals. They article implies, although doesn't directly say that it was the abuse from local people that caused them to go off the rails.

 

[Buzzer]

I've got to say that the bit about the NF chapter being put in place specifically for them doesn't ring true at all for a number of reasons. The NF? Really? Are they still going? Looking at recent voting results they struggle to get a chapter in London let alone Saltdean. And if there were people willing to have become active NF organisers in Saltdean surely there would already have been a chapter. I just can't believe that the NF have the means or money to place people in the area or recruit a committed and active group of neo-nazis.

And finally if there was an NF chapter in Saltdean then those good people at SchNews and the Cowley Club would have heard about it and at least mentioned it and more than likely made some direct action against it. I seem to recall that there was one bloke from that way that they highlighted many years ago but he was so tragic that not even the AF mob thought him worth the aggro. There's not been anything from them about this in the last few years although they have often mentioned the Deghayes family.

 

[sant andreu]

Yes but it describes them as victims first and then later radicalised and criminals. They article implies, although doesn't directly say that it was the abuse from local people that caused them to go off the rails.

okay, well if that wasn't the case, then I guess it is misrepresentative. Thanks for the response

 

[wellquickwoody]

The only radicalisation that Brighton as a place can be accused of is turning people into ultra leftie animal rights anti racism anti free speech jihaidists, which normally occurs at The Cowley Club.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

What the Guardian should do,for thepurposes of balance,is to publish a hand wringing article describing how a young white boy and his friends were forced into being committed Nazis by their deprived upbringing in one of the most affluent cities in Europe situated in one of the most beautiful counties. Oh how young Dave was forced to turn to national socialism because he was surrounded by middle eastern youths and black kids who taunted him for his pearly whiteness, how they favoured reggae and Bangla music when all the nascent Dave had to listen to was snow patrol or Coldplay which they decried as "total shit" causing Dave to cry.

How he was unwittingly caught up in smashing shop windows and shouting "death to the Jews and untermench" whilst totally bladdered...how, fearing reprisals for him fire bombing the mosque, the council had to move Dave to Preston drove, where many would give their eye teeth to live.

Eventually Dave and his small gang of blackshirts were seen shouting "Seig Heil" at a young Asian woman pushing her pram through Preston park and key workers became concerned. They asked Dave what was the matter only to be told that they all believed in Adolf Hitler as the immortal leader of the white race and in the order he represents.

Eventually Dave and his friends were shot by police as they attempted to storm the Houses of Parliament by luzzing chairs at it and were laid to rest draped in the swastika flag.

Truly a tragedy of our time.

 

[cjd]

What the Guardian should do,for thepurposes of balance,is to publish a hand wringing article describing how a young white boy and his friends were forced into being committed Nazis by their deprived upbringing in one of the most affluent cities in Europe situated in one of the most beautiful counties. Oh how young Dave was forced to turn to national socialism because he was surrounded by middle eastern youths and black kids who taunted him for his pearly whiteness, how they favoured reggae and Bangla music when all the nascent Dave had to listen to was snow patrol or Coldplay which they decried as "total shit" causing Dave to cry.

How he was unwittingly caught up in smashing shop windows and shouting "death to the Jews and untermench" whilst totally bladdered...how, fearing reprisals for him fire bombing the mosque, the council had to move Dave to Preston drove, where many would give their eye teeth to live.

Eventually Dave and his small gang of blackshirts were seen shouting "Seig Heil" at a young Asian woman pushing her pram through Preston park and key workers became concerned. They asked Dave what was the matter only to be told that they all believed in Adolf Hitler as the immortal leader of the white race and in the order he represents.

Eventually Dave and his friends were shot by police as they attempted to storm the Houses of Parliament by luzzing chairs at it and were laid to rest draped in the swastika flag.

Truly a tragedy of our time.

Brilliant...quite brilliant.

 

[ROSM]

An interesting read. I live in Saltdean and moved here in 2011 just after they had left the area. The picture painted in the Guardian is very one sided. It doesn't tell the story of the boys terrorising the local area. From the local people I have met here (and I am only repeating accounts that I have heard and some could be wrong) They told me that shops were smashed, graffiti painted and the public were generally terrorised by the boys. The Father was also a man that had his fair share of confrontations. The family were by all accounts extremely disfunctional. It is my understanding that because of the family's behaviour and lack of action by the police that certain people in the area took the problem into their own hands (by retaliating I assume) .
It's a very sad story but to make out that the poor treatment of the boys from the local inhabitants led to the radicalisation is wrong IMO. From what I heard the boys were regularly threatening to people outside local shops shouting out Allah will reap revenge on you and stuff like that. I can only take what people have told me as truth and it could be wrong. But it seems the lads were radicalised long before they arrived in 2008.
Again I want to say I never met them and can only repeat what multiple people have said about the family on a number of occasions.

I still live on Saltdean and you weren't wrong. The park was a no go area when those boys were down there.

 

[BigGully]

I still live on Saltdean and you weren't wrong. The park was a no go area when those boys were down there.

That just made me laugh, may I respectfully advise that you do not move to any other area in whole wide world you would be truly traumatised and become a recluse before dinner time.

 

[alfredmizen]

That just made me laugh, may I respectfully advise that you do not move to any other area in whole wide world you would be truly traumatised and become a recluse before dinner time.

Made me laugh too , a no go area in saltdean

 

[ROSM]

That just made me laugh, may I respectfully advise that you do not move to any other area in whole wide world you would be truly traumatised and become a recluse before dinner time.

Glad it made you laugh. You condescending buffoon

The boys in question would make rude and offensive comments to women and threaten children. Its a park where children would play and given the behaviour, children and families chose not to go there.

But have your little giggle. You contribute nothing to many threads by playing a moany old get type role being contrary to any point your split personality decides to ....and on this occasion you lived down to your low benchmark