Positives for Sunday!

[Finchley Seagull]

Sorry mate, but you're being a clown. How on earth do you think the ball ended up hitting the bar and bouncing down and hitting Kuszczak on the back of the neck and going into the net, if not for a shot on goal? Act of God maybe? Try watching what you're seeing, rather than rely on stats.

Well the stats don't count either as a shot on target, whatever you might think. You also ignored my second point that two shots on target is hardly making us look "seriously second best" when you consider we had more possession, shots on target, shots off target and corners.

 

[perseus]

What happens in the penalty shoot out if it happens again?


A kick is successful if, having been touched once by the kicker, it crosses the goal line without going out of play or touching any player other than the defending goalkeeper. The ball may touch the goalkeeper, posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the net. This was clarified after an incident in the 1986 World Cup shoot-out between Brazil and France. Bruno Bellone's kick rebounded out off the post, hit goalkeeper Carlos's back, and subsequently bounced into the goal. Referee Ioan Igna gave the goal to France, and Brazil captain Edinho was booked for protesting that the kick should have been considered a miss as soon as it rebounded off the post. In 1987, the International Football Association Board clarified Law 14, covering penalty kicks, to support Igna's decision

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sorry mate, but you're being a clown. How on earth do you think the ball ended up hitting the bar and bouncing down and hitting Kuszczak on the back of the neck and going into the net, if not for a shot on goal? Act of God maybe? Try watching what you're seeing, rather than rely on stats.

Hitting the woodwork is not a shot on target. It is a shot OFF target. Derby had 6 shots off target.

 

[perseus]

Hitting the woodwork is not a shot on target. It is a shot OFF target. Derby had 6 shots off target.

I think Martin should be credited with the goal.

It is not like a defender kicked the ball against his own keeper (how Leicester won at Derby).

 

[Kevlar]

Sorry mate, but you're being a clown. How on earth do you think the ball ended up hitting the bar and bouncing down and hitting Kuszczak on the back of the neck and going into the net, if not for a shot on goal? Act of God maybe? Try watching what you're seeing, rather than rely on stats.

you can debate how significant the shots on target statistic is
but there is no doubt that the target is the goal !
the frame of the goal is not the goal

 

[perseus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_shoot-out_(association_football)

 

[SuperBrighton]

Neither does a penalty so the one shot on target was a save by Kuszczak. The own goal came from Derby hitting the crossbar which is off target.

A positive is that we have won our East Midland games against Leicester and Forest, so let's make it a round three.

Since when did scoring a penalty in normal time not count as a shot on target?

 

[brightonmark1234]

need to get more bodies in the box when we attack

 

[trueblue]

What happens in the penalty shoot out if it happens again?


A kick is successful if, having been touched once by the kicker, it crosses the goal line without going out of play or touching any player other than the defending goalkeeper. The ball may touch the goalkeeper, posts, or crossbar any number of times before going into the net. This was clarified after an incident in the 1986 World Cup shoot-out between Brazil and France. Bruno Bellone's kick rebounded out off the post, hit goalkeeper Carlos's back, and subsequently bounced into the goal. Referee Ioan Igna gave the goal to France, and Brazil captain Edinho was booked for protesting that the kick should have been considered a miss as soon as it rebounded off the post. In 1987, the International Football Association Board clarified Law 14, covering penalty kicks, to support Igna's decision

That's interesting. Wonder if that also applies when time is extended to allow a penalty to be taken. I always thought that once the forward motion of the ball is stopped, that's the end of the half or match - so a penalty with a freak deflection like last night wouldn't count.

Anyway, on the original debate, it was certainly an own goal because the original shot wasn't on target.

Positive from me is that although Derby have a good home record, starting with a one goal advantage can be tricky as it's hard to know whether to twist or stick. So they may not play their 'normal' home game.

 

[blueandwhitestripes]

need to get more bodies in the box when we attack

Sounds more like a war cry from the US special forces commander in Nigeria

 

[brightonmark1234]

Sounds more like a war cry from the US special forces commander in Nigeria

i meant when we attack with the ball

 

[um bongo molongo]

Back to the title of the thread - how about 'based on tonight we have a good chance in the final
if we can get through'