Peter Kyle MP

[Blue Valkyrie]

But he represents a party first and foremost. He's a party representative. We chose Kyle to represent us. And the people of Hove chose to vote for our choice. Otherwise why would you stand for a party?

No, an MP represents their contituents ( after forming a view of what is in their intetests ).

 

[Hastings gull]

Oops, their!

Tut Tut!
Ok, no compromise, and they try and convince the electorate of the superiority of their ideals; so if that does not work, then what?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

To be honest labour just needs to get all the de-selections and subsequent party split done and dusted, and out of the way.

 

[beorhthelm]

A political party can do what the hell it likes. There's no rule book. But I prefer parties to have a set of beliefs and try to convince the electorate there way is the best way. Otherwise, there's no real point

its welcome to do so. note the conditional prefix.

 

[Guinness Boy]

No, an MP represents their contituents ( after forming a view of what is in their intetests ).

Absolutely this. If not then you cannot represent the interests of the whole of your electorate.

Caroline Lucas has been a rock of support to a friend of mine who happens to live in her constituency and be a dyed-in-the-wool Tory. People of every persuasion, political and otherwise, got help and advice from dear old Andrew Bowden for over 20 years. You are elected by your constituents and you represent them. Party whip should always be second.

 

[drew]

You've got this the wrong way round. It is the PLP who should be moving to support the leader and the will of the party. Thats democracy. If they don't want to support the leader and the membership and represent their views then the honourable thing is to quit. As they are politicians and not too many of them are honourable in my experience then they are going to need to be deselected. You can't have a whole bunch of MPs who don't represent the views of the party or support the elected leader. No party would put up with that.

They only need to quit the party and remain an MP as an independent as they were voted in by constituents, not party members.

But he represents a party first and foremost. He's a party representative. We chose Kyle to represent us. And the people of Hove chose to vote for our choice. Otherwise why would you stand for a party?

Kyle was chosen when the party was under the leadership of Miliband, not Corbyn. No party has 100% agreement on 100% of policies. If the people of Hove had wanted a true socialist then they should have voted for Dave Hill!

 

[Don Quixote]

He did well to win Hove so he must have something about him. Deselect him and Labour will lose the seat.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Absolutely this. If not then you cannot represent the interests of the whole of your electorate.

Caroline Lucas has been a rock of support to a friend of mine who happens to live in her constituency and be a dyed-in-the-wool Tory. People of every persuasion, political and otherwise, got help and advice from dear old Andrew Bowden for over 20 years. You are elected by your constituents and you represent them. Party whip should always be second.

As it was when JC was just a humble MP. He defied the whip hundreds of times although his rebellions were mainly ideologically inspired rather than helping individual constituents.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

They only need to quit the party and remain an MP as an independent as they were voted in by constituents, not party members.

Nearly agree, except they should resign the whip and their seat. Stand was an Independent/Blairite/pro War/whatever label he fancies and then in the subsequent by-election we'd get a true picture of his constituents wishes.We'd see how much it was Peter Kyle the man and how much the party. A lot of people I know voted for him as a Labour candidate and now, post the Syria vote, would never vote for the man again.

 

[Chicken Run]

He did well to win Hove so he must have something about him. Deselect him and Labour will lose the seat.

This With baubles on!

 

[drew]

Nearly agree, except they should resign the whip and their seat. Stand was an Independent/Blairite/pro War/whatever label he fancies and then in the subsequent by-election we'd get a true picture of his constituents wishes.We'd see how much it was Peter Kyle the man and how much the party. A lot of people I know voted for him as a Labour candidate and now, post the Syria vote, would never vote for the man again.

Doesn't matter though. There is no obligation on him to resign as an MP.

 

[Machiavelli]

Absolutely this. If not then you cannot represent the interests of the whole of your electorate.

Caroline Lucas has been a rock of support to a friend of mine who happens to live in her constituency and be a dyed-in-the-wool Tory. People of every persuasion, political and otherwise, got help and advice from dear old Andrew Bowden for over 20 years. You are elected by your constituents and you represent them. Party whip should always be second.

MPs are actually elected by some of their constituents, not all of them, and it's often the case that there will be a clash of views between those that don't elect the election winner, and the MP. In other words, there's a difference between doing constituency work (as Lucas does in your instance, and plenty of others too) and having views that are 'representative' of the entire constituency. Representation is a tricky concept with multiple meanings.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

A lot of people I know voted for him as a Labour candidate and now, post the Syria vote, would never vote for the man again.

At present I am one of them.

 

[Ernest]

At present I am one of them.

And me and plenty more I know

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You've got this the wrong way round. It is the PLP who should be moving to support the leader and the will of the party. Thats democracy. If they don't want to support the leader and the membership and represent their views then the honourable thing is to quit. As they are politicians and not too many of them are honourable in my experience then they are going to need to be deselected. You can't have a whole bunch of MPs who don't represent the views of the party or support the elected leader. No party would put up with that.

I understand what you are saying. I guess that all the labour MPs who don't support Corbyn should quit. Its honourable. It will be the end of labour for a long time, though. The quitters could form a new party. They could call it 'social democrat' or something. ****ing Hell - I have time travelled back to the 80s. It is democratic, but I'm very not happy about it, especially given the idiotic way Corby got on the ballott in the first place. I think this is why the sitting MPs are so cross. Corbyn was there only so Labour could pretend the candidates represented a wide range of view. Well, the results serves them jolly well right. Let's see what the voters think about it all, come the next general election. I would feel a lot better if Corbyn made it clear he will expel people who make death threats or otherwise abuse sitting MPs. Anyway, I bet the Tory supporers on here are laughing at us labour types, squabbling. I know I would be.

 

[Don Quixote]

And me and plenty more I know

And you'd not vote for him and let the tories in?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

And you'd not vote for him and let the tories in?

That's a little trifling detail. The Corbynista's obviously don't mind letting the Tories win just as long as they have a party that reflects their view or supposedly gives a 'genuine' choice to the electorate. Then they have the gall to moan at those nasty Tories bafflingly hypocritical IMO!

 

[Ernest]

And you'd not vote for him and let the tories in?

He will be deselected if he carries on like he has been doing, I MIGHT even throw my cap into the ring then for the nomination

 

[Hastings gull]

I understand what you are saying. I guess that all the labour MPs who don't support Corbyn should quit. Its honourable. It will be the end of labour for a long time, though. The quitters could form a new party. They could call it 'social democrat' or something. ****ing Hell - I have time travelled back to the 80s. It is democratic, but I'm very not happy about it, especially given the idiotic way Corby got on the ballott in the first place. I think this is why the sitting MPs are so cross. Corbyn was there only so Labour could pretend the candidates represented a wide range of view. Well, the results serves them jolly well right. Let's see what the voters think about it all, come the next general election. I would feel a lot better if Corbyn made it clear he will expel people who make death threats or otherwise abuse sitting MPs. Anyway, I bet the Tory supporers on here are laughing at us labour types, squabbling. I know I would be.

Before you do anything rash with your weapon -have you got a licence, by the way? - I would hope that very few are gloating. I actually feel sorry for genuine, middle-of-the-road labour supporters, who have seen a whole host of newcomers get on the band wagon and lurch the party to the left in their quest for socialism, well, invariably socialism for everybody else, as Ms Abbott will confirm.

 

[jakarta]

He will be deselected if he carries on like he has been doing, I MIGHT even throw my cap into the ring then for the nomination

Won't your LOCATION be a bit of a problem when it comes to trying to become an MP?